Big vs Small

So they would win 35 games w/o CP3? Dang that means with the 56 wins they got with CP3, they "would" have been undefeated.

Hater.

 

I will always take a "dominant" big man over a "dominant guard". Always. Big men just have more impact on the court (thinking of both sides of the ball). It just takes more to win with a dominant guard than a dominant big. Even now, look at all the help Kobe had to get for LA to be dominant again.

 

BINGO

For the record Yao avg 25 pts 9 rebs 3.5 turnovers , but only played 48 games and has suffered serious injuries ever since.

 

This discussion has turned sour primarily because the topic is Big vs. Small, not CP vs Yao. Big is definitely better than small in the NBA. Big men are consistently overpaid relative to their skill. Likewise, within each position, bigger guys are generally more effective than their shorter counterparts.

 

That's what she said.

 

agreed, special is special. cp3 is taking on the defending champs with ease.

 

Where would the Rockets be with Jay Williams instead of Yao?

 

Here how to judge it...

Prime Shaq or Prime Iverson

or

Prime Dream or Prime Isiah

 

The prime big guys do have more rings than the prime short guys. It's been 18 years since the best of the best under 6'6" guys have won a ring.

 

Let me rephrase the last post. In the last 20 years, I would draft, I'd go for Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, and Dwight Howard over Iverson, Kidd, Nash, Arenas, CP3, and Deron Williams.

 

yao has been doubled constantly. cp has not.

yao has been dealing with unfavorable rule change since day 1 he stepped into the league. cp, the opposite.

yao is a big stiff in many's eyes and deals with VERY bad calls everyday. cp is the new golden boy after lebron. do the math.

yao has great impact at both ends. cp not so much.

yao is by consensus one of the most hard-working players in the league. cp, haven't heard such.

yao has injured in the last 3 years in his 6-year nba career (while played for china in the offseasons), 2 of which were freaking accidents. cp has had bad injuries in one year of his 3 years in the nba - not a much better record thus far.

yao is a model citizen. cp... hit someone's balls b/w the legs?

in general, great big men have had greater impact than great guards throughout history.

case closed imo.

 

what's so special about CP? he is just another guard that needs other people to finish the basket for him most of the time. if he was so good, be like Kobe. CP=Wade, both are going to fade away after the initial success. good guards come and go. good big men stays until they break down or retire.

 

it's all up the rules of the game. if nba wants more flashy small dudes, that's the way it's going to be. heck, if they take out the stupid 3 seconds rule, let's see who is the boss.

 

Chad Ford's recent Draft Watch article mentions this issue of Big vs Small. It looks like there is a shift in thinking on this topic amongst GMs -- PGs are becoming more highly valued.

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In 2007, one question dominated the months before the NBA draft: Who is the No. 1 player in the draft?

Greg Oden, a once-in-a-decade center prospect?

Or Kevin Durant, who had been arguably the most productive freshman in the history of college basketball?

After more than a month of deliberation, the Portland Trail Blazers decided to take Oden with the top pick.

This year, again, the focus is on two players.

The consensus two months ago was that Kansas State forward Michael Beasley was, far and away, the likely choice for the No. 1 pick.

Beasley had a freshman season that, in almost every way, was even more impressive than Durant's. He ended the season as the country's leading rebounder and one of its top scorers -- impressive feats for an 18-year-old freshman playing in an elite conference such as the Big 12.

Beasley, a 6-foot-10 power forward, has the physical tools and basketball skills to be a great NBA player. He's a prolific scorer both inside and outside, with elite athleticism, great range on his jump shot, the power to bang in the paint, the speed to run the break and the nastiness to mix it up down low -- with the cockiness to think that he can deliver a victory for his team every night.

But a late charge by Memphis point guard Derrick Rose has dramatically changed the game. Rose, not Beasley, was a dominant force in the NCAA tournament, putting on a performance that would've garnered him MOP honors for the tournament had Memphis not blown a late second-half lead in the championship game versus Kansas.

Rose is considered a cross between Chris Paul and Deron Williams, with excellent size, athleticism and leadership abilities. The lack of a consistent jump shot is the only real mark against him.

Only one player shorter than 6-6 has ever gone No. 1. When in doubt, NBA GMs almost always opt for a big man. However, as we watch point guards such as Paul, Williams and Tony Parker dominate in the playoffs, the thinking is beginning to change. It's no longer considered a given that a big man is the key to winning in the NBA.

Over the past few months, I've talked to scouts and/or executives from almost every team in the draft lottery in an effort to determine what each would do with the No. 1 pick. Some were open, while some refused to answer.

With character questions still swirling around Beasley, and Rose gaining stock in the eyes of NBA front-office decision-makers, Beasley is no longer the favorite to be the No. 1 pick -- and he has dropped to No. 2 on our Top 100.

With about a week to go before the NBA draft lottery, Rose has emerged as the most likely candidate for the No. 1 pick.

The race remains close: We're projecting seven lottery teams opting for Rose and seven for Beasley. But if you break down the likelihood of each team's landing the No. 1 pick, it's a landslide for Rose. According to our latest intel, Rose has a 66.3 percent chance of becoming the No. 1 pick -- up dramatically from the 10.5 percent chance we gave him in March.
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draf...ry?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftWatch-080512

 

paul has gained from the new rules while yao hampered. if they went back to the rules during the 90s. Paul would still be an amazing player but probably would not avg as many points and yao a whole lot more.

fine call the hand checking but get rid of the zone defenses seriously its not good at all in the NBA. Lets see how Yao does when he doesnt need to see double or sagging double/triple teams before he even gets the ball.

of course we never will.

yao is a great player nonetheless, but at this point with the way the NBA is I would pick Paul over Yao if I wanted to think whats best for the team to succeed. If I wanted myself to make money I pick Yao every day of the week and twice on sundays