Opinions? or just Jerks?

You might want to ask Clutch, but I think you can probably fit your whole post into your signature file. Then, we'd never forget you don't have a sense of humor when it comes to DREAM.

 

Why do yyou whine so much?? it is obious that the Dream is not playing like the old Dream... But cant you at least express a little houmor just for the sake of it.... the rocks are playing bad... lets just enjoy this and hope for something much much beter next season...

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I have to agree with Dreamer on this one. I think Hakeem has faced an unfortunate string of health issues, but when the guy is on he looks real good. I have been to a few of the games where he was blocking shots and hitting his baseline j (San Antonio game, for one). Is Hakeem somehow keeping us from the playoffs? Is he a bad example for our younger kids (the way he has deferred his role to Francis)? When I read the horse reference, I found that a bit tasteless. I can be as crude as the next guy but, as a longtime Rocket fan, I feel that some things are sacred. His latest problem might be treatable with just an inhaler. You will eat your words, pretend they were never said, or boast that somehow your unkind words inspired him to prove you wrong. Just an observation.

 

Why do yyou whine so much?? it is obious that the Dream is not playing like the old Dream... But cant you at least express a little houmor just for the sake of it.... the rocks are playing bad... lets just enjoy this and hope for something much much beter next season...

The guy is down and on his last legs, so we are going to make fun of him.(?) You get enjoyment out of watching the city's greatest sports hero decline? This is pathetic.

[This message has been edited by thacabbage (edited March 01, 2000).]

 

Right on, Cab.

For the rest of us who still believe the hype that Dream is indeed a "Dead Man Walking", check out these stats of Dream v. "superstar" centers courtesy of our friends @ ESPN.COM:

Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cavs
MIN 34.2, FGA 11.4, PCT 50.9, FTA 6.0,
PCT 60.0, 3PA *0, PCT --, BLK 1.4, ST 0.8,
TO 1.8, PF 4.8, OFF 3.4, TOT 8.8, AST 0.8,
PTS 15.2

Vitaly Potapenko, Cavs
MIN 24.0, FGA 8.2, PCT 51.8, FTA 2.1, PCT 72.3, 3PA *1, PCT 0.0, BLK 0.5, ST 0.5, TO 1.9, PF 3.1, OFF 2.4, TOT 6.6, AST 1.1, PTS 10.0

Michael Olowokandi, ClipJoint
MIN 30.9, FGA 9.1, PCT 43.6, FTA 2.4, PCT 64.2, 3PA *0, PCT --, BLK 1.8, ST 0.3, TO 2.1, PF 3.9, OFF 2.5, TOT 8.4, AST 0.4,
PTS 9.5

Alonzo Mourning, Heat
MIN 35.9, FGA 15.9, PCT 53.9, FTA 7.5,
PCT 72.2, 3PA *3, PCT 0.0, BLK 4.1, ST 0.4,
TO 2.9, PF 4.0, OFF 2.7, TOT 9.6, AST 1.5,
PTS 22.5

Elden Campbell, Hornets
MIN 31.9, FGA 10.7, PCT 43.7, FTA 4.5,
PCT 70.4, 3PA *4, PCT 0.0, BLK 1.8, ST 0.8,
TO 1.7, PF 3.4, OFF 2.2, TOT 7.5, AST 1.5,
PTS 12.5

Derrick Coleman, Hornets
MIN 30.8, FGA 12.8, PCT 47.1, FTA 4.8, PCT 80.5, 3PA *88, PCT 36.4, BLK 1.9, ST 0.5,
TO 2.5, PF 2.7, OFF 1.7, TOT 8.2, AST 2.0,
PTS 16.5

Vlade Divac, Kings
MIN 28.9, FGA 9.0, PCT 49.2, FTA 3.9, PCT 71.0, 3PA *17, PCT 23.5, BLK 1.4, ST 1.2,
TO 2.3, PF 3.0, OFF 2.1, TOT 7.9, AST 2.8,
PTS 11.7

Marcus Camby, Knicks
MIN 26.8, FGA 8.3, PCT 48.4, FTA 3.8, PCT
64.7, 3PA *2, PCT 50.0, BLK 2.1, ST 0.8,
TO 1.2, PF 3.6, OFF 2.9, TOT 7.7, AST 0.7,
PTS 10.5

Patrick Ewing, Knicks
MIN 32.7, FGA 12.0, PCT 44.8, FTA 4.8,
PCT 71.0, 3PA *2, PCT 0.0, BLK 1.6, ST 0.7,
TO 2.4, PF 3.1, OFF 2.1, TOT 9.9, AST 0.8,
PTS 14.2

$haqFool, Faker$
MIN 40.0, FGA 20.0, PCT 56.7, FTA 10.4,
PCT 49.3, 3PA *1, PCT 0.0, BLK 3.4, ST 0.5,
TO 2.8, PF 3.3, OFF 4.3, TOT 14.1, AST 3.8,
PTS 27.8

Shawn Bradley, Mavs
MIN 24.7, FGA 7.2, PCT 47.9, FTA 1.8, PCT
74.2, 3PA *3, PCT 33.3, BLK 2.7, ST 0.9,
TO 0.8, PF 3.3, OFF 2.0, TOT 6.3, AST 0.9,
PTS 8.3

Chris Gatling, Nugs
MIN 21.9, FGA 9.8, PCT 45.7, FTA 4.7, PCT
69.8, 3PA *43, PCT 30.2, BLK 0.3, ST 1.0,
TO 2.3, PF 3.0, OFF 1.8, TOT 6.1, AST 0.9,
PTS 12.5

Raef LaFrentz, Nugs
MIN 30.7, FGA 11.4, PCT 44.4, FTA 2.6,
PCT 66.4, 3PA *138, PCT 34.8, BLK 2.1, ST
0.5, TO 1.3, PF 3.4, OFF 2.1, TOT 7.8,
AST 1.1, PTS 12.7

Rik Smits, Pacers
MIN 23.5, FGA 11.6, PCT 49.6, FTA 2.5,
PCT 76.9, 3PA *0, PCT--, BLK 1.4, ST 0.2,
TO 1.4, PF 3.2, OFF 1.1, TOT 4.9, AST 1.2,
PTS 13.4

Antonio Davis, Raps
MIN 31.6, FGA 9.5, PCT 43.9, FTA 4.9, PCT
79.0, 3PA *0, PCT --, BLK 1.3, ST 0.5, TO
1.6, PF 3.1, OFF 3.1, TOT 9.2, AST 1.2,
PTS 12.2

Hakeem “the Dream” Olajuwon, Rockets
MIN 24.8, FGA 10.3, PCT 47.4, FTA 2.6,
PCT 61.1, 3PA *2, PCT 0.0, BLK 1.7, ST 1.1,
TO 1.6, PF 2.0, OFF 1.4, TOT 6.6, AST 1.4,
PTS 11.4

Arvydas Sabonis, San Quitten
MIN 25.0, FGA 9.0, PCT 48.4, FTA 2.9,
PCT 82.1, 3PA *13, PCT 23.1, BLK 1.3, ST 0.8,
TO 1.4, PF 2.7, OFF 1.4, TOT 7.6, AST 1.7,
PTS 11.2

Rasheed Wallace, San Quitten
MIN 34.8, FGA 12.7, PCT 49.4, FTA 4.0,
PCT 67.6, 3PA *33, PCT 18.2, BLK 1.4, ST 1.1,
TO 2.0, PF 2.7, OFF 1.6, TOT 7.1,, AST 1.7,
PTS 15.4

Theo Ratliff, Sixers
MIN 30.6, FGA 8.6, PCT 51.9, FTA 4.5, PCT
74.5, 3PA *0, PCT --, BLK 2.8, ST 0.5, TO
1.9, PF 3.1, OFF 2.7, TOT 7.8, AST 0.7,
PTS 12.3

Tim Duncan, Slurps
MIN 38.9, FGA 17.8, PCT 49.1, FTA 8.4,
PCT 76.1, 3PA *9, PCT 11.1, BLK 2.2, ST 1.0,
TO 3.2, PF 2.9, OFF 3.6, TOT 12.6, AST 2.9,
PTS 23.9

Mr. Robinson, Slurps
MIN 31.8, FGA 12.2, PCT 49.7, FTA 6.1,
PCT 71.5, 3PA *2, PCT 0.0, BLK 2.4, ST 1.2,
TO 2.1, PF 3.0, OFF 2.5, TOT 9.8, AST 1.8,
PTS 16.5

Isaac Austin, Wiz
MIN 20.8, FGA 6.3, PCT 43.0, FTA 2.3, PCT
69.6, 3PA *4, PCT 25.0, BLK 0.6, ST 0.3,
TO 1.9, PF 2.2, OFF 1.1, TOT 5.1, AST 1.3,
PTS 7.1

"Playing for a pay check" my ass. Despite injuries, health and age, Dream is still a formidable center in the NBA, fully capable of 25-30 on some nights. This man is a warrior. Most of the centers in the league couldn't hold Dream's jock strap if he played with George Bush Sr.'s body.

For grins below you can look at Snottie Pimple's numbers...which player would you rather have on your team?

Snottie Pimple, San Quitten
MIN 34.5, FGA 10.4, PCT 47.1, FTA 2.6, PCT
69.8, 3PA *181, PCT 35.9, BLK 0.5, ST 1.5,
TO 2.7, PF 2.5, OFF 1.4, TOT 6.6, AST 5.3,
PTS 12.8

We should learn to appreciate what Hakeem has done for the franchise. We may never get another center of his quality again. Chew on that.

[This message has been edited by BlastOff (edited March 01, 2000).]

 

With this new law banning sarcasm and humour on BBS, it looks like this will be my last post. Nah stuff it, I'll take my chances avoiding the Sarcasm Police.

 

Why not? You've already avoided reality in thinking Mobley shouldn't be traded.

j/k. (tee hee).

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I vote " just jerks "

Hakeem is obviously having some physical problems and I for one see no humor in it.

 

Doc of Drunk,

What mother would advocate the trading of their son, at least cut him so he can have two incomes and buy me another cadillac.

LOve

Mrs Mobley

 

Look, Hakeem is obviously on the decline. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone stating that or saying he should retire, or whatever. I myself have said that many times. It's just stating the facts. However, I think we need to maintain a level of respect when talking about Hakeem. He has given his all to this franchise for so many years, and his decline has been extremely painful to watch. It doesn't take a genious to figure that out. But let's just keep away from the tasteless jokes. Hakeem deserves better than that.

 

Ok I admit...it is wrong to make fun of that... and i agree with everyone when i say that Hakeem still has allot of game... and has shown flashes of that greatness...and i really hope that he gets his strenght back... i love hakeem and i am sorry for saying that it is ok to take humorously....

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Rockets... The Key to the Future is now. Robjos Creations

 

Sanity and Respect has returned to the BBS.

No one mentioned the articles that stated Hakeem wanted to go back into the game (Rudy wouldn't let him). Does that sound like a man that does not care about winning?

Yes, he is on the decline. However, if anyone look at the stats, all of the season highs for this notorious slow starter ocurred in November and before he even had an opportunity to get into mid season form

1999-2000 HIGHS
Points 31 vs. Kings, 11/18/99
Field Goals Made 13 vs. Kings, 11/18/99
Field Goals Attempted 23 vs. Kings, 11/18/99 Offensive Rebounds 5 vs. Spurs, 11/5/99
Defensive Rebounds 13 @ Kings, 11/21/99
Assists 7 vs. Bucks, 11/2/99
Steals 6 vs. Magic, 11/8/99
Blocks 6 @ Lakers, 11/12/99 1
Minutes Played 36 vs. Lakers, 11/10/99

 

I can't believe some of the posts i have read bashing the "Dream". He is THE GREATEST HOUSTON ATHLETE to this point in time. Other sports towns treat these athletes with the utmost respect, heck, some of the cities even erect statues outside their arenas. Dream gave us the best years of his life!!!!! We should honor this GREAT athlete and show support. MY GOD, THE ROCKETS ARE THE ONLY HOUSTON SPORTS TEAM TO WIN ANYTHING AND IT NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT DREAM. You all should be ashamed of yourselves, so what if Drean is winding down, respect the MAN for what he has accomplished!!!!!

nuff said

 

I agree with you Bobfinn, and with every1 who supports Hakeem. As much as it's been painful to watch him play this season, i just know that when the guy is 100% healthy, or atleast 75%, he can still produce greatly even at this stage of his career. he gave the Houston Rockets the best years of his career. he should be getting more recognition and appreciation for everything's he's done, not taunted and made fun of. hey, maybe you'll all start saying the same crap about Stevie in 15 years or so!!!!

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Dreamer & Cabbage, others offended:

I can say from 1st hand experience that people say extreme things on here. I am a Barkley fan so remember all the negatives people said about him before his injury. I also love Mobleys game and you know all the posts that come up after a bad game for him.

Dream does deserve respect but people post on here just to start conversations, and arguments.

I said immediately after Barkley's injury that we should Cherish the time we have left with Dream, because it could end at any time.

However people should be able to post whatever they feel. I respect him, but don't think I won't criticize him the same way others ripped on Chuck & on Mobley.

 

I feel so honored that both of my quotes made it in the handle. I call them like I see him and if you don't like it move to China.

Dreamer, you're right. Those aren't opinions they are JOKES. Something to bring the brevity to a crappy season. Why don't you pull the cob out of your ass and see if your mood doesn't improve? If that doesn't help, try a boiling water enema.

I am just glad that Hakeem's condition can be treated with medication. It sucks though that the side effects are fatigue and shortness of breath.



[This message has been edited by Rocket Freak (edited March 02, 2000).]

 

Gotta say:

Sports stars are just celebrities. Who's going to give me that "Role Model" speech, or that he has done so much for this city we need to give him a crown and a throne. That's fine--he is a superstar, and he makes our memories pleasurable. He deserves to be honored with accolades and treated with respect and cheer when performing.

But if you want to turn them into heros and give them more respect than a fireman deserves, then tell me how they have changed your life. How exactly do they grab you and make a difference? Don't sit there and say because we poke fun at a celebrity, we are jerks. Give me a soliloquoy of why Dream deserves your respect so much.

Here, let me start:
Dream is an inspiration to anyone committed to turning over a new leaf in life. In his mid to late 20's, the man reflected on his life and found what he thought was an angry, selfish soul. He renewed his faith in God, and ever since has found peace in himself through that faith.

But, off the court, Dream will never stand-up to the respect I give Barkley. And I probably make wise-cracks about Barkley as much as any player (except Ralph Sampson).

Here's how I feel about Barkley:

from the thread on Lost Respect for Drexler. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum3/HTML/005484.html

But, I'm not going to call people jerks for poking fun at my hero. And certainly not call them "pathetic"...or tell them to "grow up".

Alright, that's my heartfelt post for the month.

peace biscuit


[This message has been edited by heypartner (edited March 02, 2000).]

 

Hey RocketFreak, jokes are cool man.

Humor aside, my response was to those who have the opinion that Dream is washed up. I know, opinions are just that. Opinions also encourage opinions from the opposite point of view as well.

As the AntiBarkley, I could make light of CB's injuries the past couple of seasons, even his career-ending injury last year. However, Barkley has earned my respect personally because of his contributions to the team. Despite my problems with him as a person, he came to play when he played, sometimes even in pain. Like Dream, he too is a warrior in my book.

As with Dream, injuries and age are becoming a problem for him. Has anyone made light of that?

 

I as much as anyone loves Olajuwon. I've watched him since his Phi Slama Jama days. And, as much as I'd like to see him go out gracefully, that $16 million he's making sure would look nice as cap dollars.

Let's face it. The business of professional basketball is winning. To win, you must have players that not only play on a high level, but do so consistently. You must also have players capable of playing the vast majority of the 82 games in a season.

Olajuwon has been inconsistent at best this season and last. If that is because of his health, well that is part of the game too. I would never think to belittle the guy because of all he has meant to the team and the city, but his reign as best center in the NBA is over. He has admitted that he is retiring after next season. The team is filled with young guys who love to run.

As much as we'd all love for Dream to be "the man", he cannot be anymore and the team has outgrown him. I wish him all the best over the next season and 1/3, but, at this point, I don't feel uncomfortable saying that having $16 million (well, maybe only $9 million since he would still have a year left on his contract) to lure free agents like Tim Duncan and Grant Hill would not upset me in the least.

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