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Hillary slowly morphing into Bush

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Major, May 2, 2008.

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  1. Major

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    She already has encorporated the vast right-wing machine to her attack arsenal. Now she's adding Bush's rhetorical style as well:

    http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/05/hrc_challenges.html


    "I believe it would be important to get every member of Congress on record," she said, per NBC/NJ's MIke Memoli. "Do they stand with the hard-pressed Americans who are trying to pay their gas bills at the gas station or do they once again stand with the oil companies? That's a vote I'm going to try to get, because I want to know where people stand, and I want them to tell us - are they with us or against us when it comes to taking on the oil companies?"
     
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    Why do the oil companies need government hand outs today? It is beyond stupid to give tax dollars to them at this stage.
     
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    “I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president, we will attack Iran,”

    ”In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”


    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080422/world/us_vote_clinton_iran


    I don't think a president candidate should be talking about taking out a country, I’m assuming she's trying to be manly here, though instead she sounds scary.

    Sounds a little like Bush to me…..
     
  4. Mr. Clutch

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    And apparently it's working. :confused:
     
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    She's doing w/e she can to tap into the minds of the average white blue-collar worker who's disillusioned with the vote they threw away in 2000.

    She also assumes the Dems will rally behind her if she wins. For that to make sense, it probably involves some political formula where the new and young voters Obama attracts will have stayed home, so she wins with the old rules.

    Or maybe her desperation has no goal....
     
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  6. ROXRAN

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    Hillary is alright... ;)
     
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    If she grows a crank I say she should get the office without a vote.
     
  8. Major

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    It worked for Bush too!
     
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    What are you talking about? She's been like Bush a long time. A Hillary administration would operate more like the catastrophic disaster of a Bush administration than McCain (and would get away with it with a Dem congress). I felt that way before Hillary announced her candidacy and the way she's conducted her campaign proves that beyond a doubt.

    A 2nd Clinton administration would be just as big a mistake as a 2nd Bush administration. Shame on America if she doesn't learn from her mistakes.
     
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    How you or anyone can compare this lame joke of a prez to anyone else good or bad is beyond me. Running an election is not the same as running a country Einstein. shrub had rove run his textbook campaign of lies and distraction and that was just what he needed to win. It didn't make him a better leader, it just showed his skill at campaigning.
    So tell me how they are the same thing?
    Hillary running a dirty campaign = shrub running a dirty campaign? I know you assume that because of this it has to mean she will be as bad a leader as shrub, right? :rolleyes:

    And if w's administration was a mistake because g.h.w.b's administration was a mistake, are you implying bill's administration was a mistake as well?
     
  11. KingCheetah

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    This is the new tactic of team Obama -- compare Clinton to the 'evil overlord' President Bush instead of sticking to the issues of the campaign.
     
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    We've been discussing Hillary's oil policies, and the consensus is that they're silly.

    http://bbs.clutchfans.com/showthread.php?t=147725
     
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    This thread wasn't started to discuss Clinton's oil policies -- it was created to discuss the 'Bush-like' wording she used.
     
  14. Major

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    Where has team Obama does this? I've seen no references in the media to anyone in the Obama camp mentioning this.
     
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    I thought by "Team Obama" you meant the posters on this BBS; perhaps I was mistaken. I just meant to point out that there has been a discussion of this particular issue here in the last few days.

    Of course, I can't imagine any candidate would want to make the campaign about issues more than Obama does.
     
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    By 'Team Obama' i'm referring to his campaign advisers who have started this political move i'm seeing around the web with increasing frequency. The Hillary hate from Obama supporters (she has treated him with kid gloves) and the continued dismissing of the Wright controversy (a legitimate issue) are two of a few irksome problems with his supporters. I like Obama -- I really like all the candidates this time around, but I think Obama supporters need to take a step back and cool their jets. Obama does have flaws and they will be hit hard by the republicans if he does in fact win the nomination.
     
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    I keep hearing both of these things repeated as fact over and over, and they simply aren't true. Hillary's attacks are the same type of things as the right-wing attacks she has dealt with in the past.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/sidney-blumenthal-uses-fo_b_99695.html

    Acting like what she's doing is nothing compared to that is silly. She's using the same outlets, the same people, and the same style as has been used in the past against her and Bill.

    Here are some snippets from the article above:


    Almost every day over the past six months, I have been the recipient of an email that attacks Obama's character, political views, electability, and real or manufactured associations. The original source of many of these hit pieces are virulent and sometimes extreme right-wing websites, bloggers, and publications. But they aren't being emailed out from some fringe right-wing group that somehow managed to get my email address. Instead, it is Sidney Blumenthal who, on a regular basis, methodically dispatches these email mudballs to an influential list of opinion shapers -- including journalists, former Clinton administration officials, academics, policy entrepreneurs, and think tankers -- in what is an obvious attempt to create an echo chamber that reverberates among talk shows, columnists, and Democratic Party funders and activists. One of the recipients of the Blumenthal email blast, himself a Clinton supporter, forwards the material to me and perhaps to others.

    ...

    To cite just one recent example, Blumenthal circulated an article taken from the fervently hard-right AIM website on February 18 entitled, "Obama's Communist Mentor" by Cliff Kincaid. Kincaid is a right-wing writer and activist, a longtime critic of the United Nations, whose group, America's Survival, has been funded by foundations controlled by conservative financier Richard Mellon Scaife, the same millionaire who helped fund attacks on the Clintons during their White House years. Scaife also funds AIM, the right-wing media "watchdog" group.

    The Kincaid article that Blumenthal circulated sought to discredit Obama by linking him to an African-American poet and writer whom Obama knew while he was in high school in Hawaii. That writer, Frank Marshall Davis, was, Kincaid wrote, a member of the Communist Party. Supported by no tangible evidence, Kincaid claimed that Obama considered his relationship to Davis to be "almost like a son."

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    Kincaid's piece had been previously circulating within the right-wing blogosphere, but Blumenthal sought to inject the story into more respectable opinion circles by amplifying it in his email blast.


    This is stuff straight out of the effective GOP playbook. You can't simultaneously say he's going to be be hit hard by the GOP and that she's playing nice - because she's using those same tactics.
     

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