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Pentagon Manipulates News Coverage

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Apr 20, 2008.

  1. Refman

    Refman Member

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    Wow.

    If you really believe that, then there is little hope for you.
     
  2. LScolaDominates

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    Yes, a step back... from reality.
     
  3. Deckard

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    Sad that there are still those willing to not only pull conspiracies out of thin air, but attempt to tie them to past events that were controversial... blending it all into one vast conspiracy, by faceless people who must remain nameless. After all, putting names to the wild speculation just might require (gasp!) truth.




    Impeach Bush and Send Him to Sell Popsicles in Tibet.
     
  4. rimrocker

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    And so it goes... from the tragic to the absurd...

     
  5. Invisible Fan

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    Technically we nabbed the 9/11 mastermind in Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. I guess the charges of torturing him were fabricated because he too is an agent of the CIA...
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    As is usual with t_j, there are no facts to back up his wild assertions, just disparaging remarks about liberals and a steadfast refusal to look at available facts and evidence.
     
  7. Classic

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    I believe John F. Kennedy to be a much smarter man that yourself. He speaks of the topic within this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SEz-GANz9Q&feature=related

    When the economy collapses, you'll be the one surprised and wondering how it happened. You'll probably say oil or housing like the others but, the real problem lies far beyond that.
     
  8. Deckard

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    It is outrageous that you took a brilliant speech, from a great man, about the Communist attempt during the Cold War to defeat the West by any means and the need to maintain our Constitutional freedoms despite facing that enemy, as something else altogether. How ironic that we now have a President seemingly doing all he can to undermine those freedoms, and instead of using this speech as an example of the kind of leadership we should have and need, you and your ilk twist it into something else entirely.

    Bummer, dude.




    Impeach Bush.
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    At that point the Illuminati and the elite will be in their spaceships and biodomes, so it won't matter.


    I laughed at the anonymized voice at the end of the youtube.
     
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  10. Refman

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    How convenient for you that you can consider JFK (who you did not know) "much smarter" than me (who you do not know). This is an example of how you fail to know the facts before you pipe up.

    The real problem with the economy is the value of the dollar compared to other currencies. The price of oil is a symptom of that problem. The housing mess is an aggravating factor in the economic mess we are currently in.
     
  11. gifford1967

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    Looks like the NYT reports are starting to have an impact.

    Pentagon halts feeding of information to retired officers while issue is reviewed
    By Jeff Schogol, Stars and Stripes
    Mideast edition, Saturday, April 26, 2008



    ARLINGTON, Va. - The Defense Department has temporarily stopped feeding information to retired military officers pending a review of the issue, said Robert Hastings, principal deputy assistant secretary of Defense for public affairs.

    The New York Times first reported on Sunday that the Defense Department was giving information to retired officers serving as pundits for various media organizations in order to garner favorable media coverage.

    Some of these retired officers saw their access to key decision-makers as possible business opportunities for the defense contractors they represent, according to the newspaper. The story also alleged that the officers who did not repeat the Bush administration's official line were denied further access to information.

    Hastings said he is concerned about allegations that the Defense Department's relationship with the retired military analysts was improper.

    "Following the allegations, the story that is printed in the New York Times, I directed my staff to halt, to suspend the activities that may be ongoing with retired military analysts to give me time to review the situation," Hastings said in an interview with Stripes on Friday.

    Hastings said he did not discuss the matter with Defense Secretary Robert Gates prior to making his decision. He could not say Friday how long this review might take.

    "We'll take the time to do it right," he said.

    On Thursday, U.S. Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., said in a speech that he was angered by the allegations raised in the New York Times' story.

    "There is nothing inherently wrong with providing information to the public and the press," Skelton said. "But there is a problem if the Pentagon is providing special access to retired officers and then basically using them as pawns to spout the administration's talking points of the day."

    Skelton, who is chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said he was also disturbed by the ties between the military officers and defense firms.

    "It hurts me to my core to think that there are those from the ranks of our retired officers who have decided to cash in and essentially prostitute themselves on the basis of their previous positions within the Department of Defense," he said.

    Hastings, who had not seen Skelton's remarks before Friday's interview, said he is unaware of the Defense Department's past activities with retired military analysts. He took over his current post in March.

    "I need a little time to kind of digest that and figure out what the path forward is," he said.


    http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=61696&archive=true
     
  12. remy

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    when has the pentagon not manipulated news coverage?
     
  13. rimrocker

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    Greenwald has a follow-up based on reading some of the documents. It's long and involved, but worth the read:

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

    Here's part... go read the whole thing...
     
  14. mc mark

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    oh my



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    Rumsfeld On 2006 Election: "The Correction For That...Is An Attack"

    An ongoing exploration of the documents related to the Pentagon's "message force multipliers" program has unearthed a clip of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld suggesting that America, having voted the Democrats back into Congressional power, could benefit from suffering another terrorist attack, and doing so in the presence of the very same military analysts who went on to provide commentary and analysis of the Iraq War.

    As documented by Newsvine, it all went down at a valedictory luncheon Rumsfeld hosted for those analysts on December 12, 2006. Many of the "message force multipliers" named in the original New York Times piece were in attendance, including David L. Grange, Donald W. Sheppard, James Marks, Rick Francona, Wayne Downing, and Robert H. Scales, Jr. They were treated to an extraordinary conversation (Newsvine has highlights, the hour-long clip of which can be found here) with Rumsfeld, that included many jaw-dropping moments, such as Rumsfeld admitting that in Iraq, the U.S. "can't lose militarily, but...can't win by military means alone," an agreement that Iraq could use a Syngman Rhee-type dictator (because that's what democracy smells like!), and a lengthy passage where Rumsfeld jokingly offers a bottle of champagne to anyone who could kill Moqtada al Sadr. You sure don't see too many people joking on al Sadr these days!

    But by far the most extraordinary part of this luncheon is the antipathy the gathered members exhibit toward the American people for having the temerity to vote the Democrats back into power. When Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong bemoans the lack of "sympathetic ears" on Capitol Hill, Rumsfeld offers that the American people lack "the maturity to recognize the seriousness of the threats." What's to be done? According to Rumsfeld, "The correction for that, I suppose, is [another] attack."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/13/rumsfeld-on-2006-election_n_101537.html

    oh yes, apparently there's audio
     

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