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More Torch Relay Embarrassment: North Koreans' turn

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Apr 27, 2008.

  1. Deji McGever

    Deji McGever יליד טקסני

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    SamFisher:

    The torch relay makes big money. Several of my buddies have rented RV's and followed the torch in Olympics past when the US hosted Olympics, selling merchandise like t-shirts and commemorative pins all over the country. There's a whole strange counter-culture that seems to sniff out crowds like this and manages to come up with the right kind of merchandise to sell.

    On a good day we are talking $5000 per person. In cash. You don't have to be a carney to see the value in that. If my friends were making that kind of money, I'm sure corporate sponsors were making more.

    The same idea was also used during the 2004 elections, vending at political rallies. Anything that draws a crowd draws a demand for cheap junk and cotton candy.
     
  2. lalala902102001

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    Damn, Godwin's Law really applied to this thread fast.
     
  3. SamFisher

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    yeah pretty amazing that in a thread discussing things invented by the nazis, people mention the nazis.
     
  4. olliez

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    lol, he is not illogical--- it's his way of subtle personal attack

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  5. rimbaud

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    Oh, absolutely. I certainly was not trying to draw a parallel to China and have no idea what Sam is doing. I just find it funny that there is so much uproar about disrupting this "special" event because it was specifically started as a Nazi propaganda device.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    He is not subtle at all, just rude.

    DD
     
  7. langal

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    Not that I agree with Sam, but this is admittedly ironic:

    "The sportive, knightly battle awakens the best human characteristics. It doesn't separate, but unites the combatants in understanding and respect. It also helps to connect the countries in the spirit of peace. That's why the Olympic Flame should never die."

    – Adolf Hitler, commenting on the 1936 Berlin Olympic Games


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Summer_Olympics

    Looks like the damn Nazis won the medal count! :mad:
     
  8. SamFisher

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    Uh, the torch has its own private jet and entourage - not to mention a veritable armada of security this time around. $5000 doesn't cover an hours worth of jet/a.

    The economic value of the torch relay is of course secondary, but I'm willing to wager dollars to donuts that it's a net negative, to the extent it can be measured at all.
     
  9. SamFisher

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    No, they didn't resurrect it out of respect for Aryan nationalism or national socialism. However, they did resurrect it, for better or for worse, as a showcase for nationalistic pride (complete with the politically charged step of taking it to Mt. Everest) to an extent not seen since 1936.

    The whole Olympics is generally being blown up as solely about China. I mean how much have we heard about this beign China's "coming out party" - I don't recall Athens being Greece's coming out party. China is the country that is blowing up their status as host into a huge occasion, i think far more so than any obligation being imposed upon them from outside (interest in the Olympics in the West has waned in recent years if TV ratings are any guide).
    Not really - I mean I for one can't recall a single Olympic torch relay moment - and I for one hav been an Olympic fan in general and I don't think anybody would really miss it. The world survived with much smaller torch relays before - with waning interest in the Olympics it could go the way of the do-do and not miss a beat.

    I hope so....the amount of resources being wasted on it is outlandish. The carbon footprint of the torch's travel cotss alone is more than you or I will ever put into the atmosphere in our entire lifetime.
     
  10. Bandwagoner

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    It is pretty special for all the people that get to carry the torch. Except the girl in the wheel chair that had it torn from her hands :(
     
  11. michecon

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    Can a man who set to burn himself able to fail at that attempt, if he really determined to?

    Good one, except that's what media in the West sets out to portrait. You think if there were only crowds waving Olympic flag on route of Torch Run China would be unhappy and demanded diplomatic apology? LOL
     
  12. Bandwagoner

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    if you are dumb enough to want to do that, I think any plan you come up with could be easily stopped.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    Sorry but China is the one who is staging the longest most expensive and elaborate torch run in history - you're saying they are doing this in order to NOT draw attention to itself?

    China's obsession with hosting the games as a prestige point and achieving whatver international accolades they think one is supposed to receive from hosting the games has been pretty obvious for decades now. Now I'm supposed to think that China has reluctantly had this task foisted upon them due to the Western media? Sorry but that just doesn't compute. The incredible amount of preparation that China has made for the games affirms that they see this as a signature event and themselves as the games signature focus.
     
  14. gifford1967

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    C'mon Sam,

    Are you trying to get us to believe you don't remember Bong Hits 4 Jesus? The single greatest moment in Olympic torch relay history.

    (Full Disclosure: My sister represented the school district in this case early on, so I may be biased about it's status as the greatest Olympic torch relay moment EVAH!!1111111!!11)
     
  15. michecon

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    China draws attention to itself, who hosts the game. China draw attention to the game, which is held in China. China wants to be friendly. China wants the game to succeed. So? it's not solely about China.

    It's not like China send war boats along side the torch to showcase around the world. Nor did China proclaim supremacy now that they finally gets a chance to host the game.
     
  16. pirc1

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    Should never have wasted billions of dollars to host this stupid event. Chinese government totally miscalculated on the benefits of hosting the Olympics. But the good thing is now they can see how much resentments are there towards the Chinese and China through out the world both by private citizens and various governments, thus they should have no future delusions on issues like this.
     
  17. YallMean

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    What China didnt do was building churches around the world, or in China's case, confucious Monastery. But still I hate China for ill-treate NK refugees, sending them back to NK for potential imprisonment.


    I drove through downtown LA a couple months back, thousands of people there protesting a single working mom, who hid herself in a church for a year to take care of her US citizen daughter, was deported back to Mexico.


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  18. YallMean

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    I think that damn torch has been relayed in every Olympics as far as I can remember. Isnt that a sprit of Olympics. I have no idea how this time it's got mixed with commie China's ambition. If you are biased, you can hate a cow graze too much.
     
  19. pirc1

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    Every Olympics since 1936. People like Sam is just looking for an excuse to trash China.
     
  20. YallMean

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    The mood of mob can flicker. There is no win for China even of it didnt relay the torch because the mob would be saying it was a human triumph that commie China bowed down to the free sprit of the West, and then some.

    The problem is that, let's say by a miracle, it turns to democracy tomorrow, and becomes the free-est country of the whole wide world, it will still have 1.3 billion people, it will still consume ever-increasing amount of natural resources, greedy Chinese merchants will still exploit to ship cheap unsafe products to the west.

    People who never understand China can never grasp it and look funny to me.
     

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