[Would you rather] jazz NBA Finals or Living in Dallas?

Actually it's the other way around. I stopped complaining about refs a long time ago. I'm man enough to not come up with excuses and just say "we sucked" or "didn't play hard enough." Excuses are lame. I would understand your frustration if the Rockets played saintly. But they didn't and they don't. Scola, Battier, and Hayes are top notch floppers, in case you haven't realized. If you don't see that or don't want to admit it, that's fine, but it's true. I did say I only saw the last two games of the series and I stand by assessment that I didn't see any blatant flops. If they were any, refs were smart enough to not call them. That's the most important part, and looking at your videos, only one of those flops were called. Besides, looking at that second video for the first time at real time, it looks like Scola used his elbow to push him out of the way. It evens out because there should've been a loose ball foul on Scola when Korver grabbed that rebound. And what's up with him blowing that layup? You really expect to win a game shooting 36% from the field?

 

Debatable.

 

doesnt dallas have the best titty bars in the world or something?

 

Please go away.

 

Jazz to the NBA finals... hahaha NEVER!!!

 

I can stand living in Dallas if it means Utah never wins a championship.

 

I can see the argument about Scola flopping, but not Battier, and DEFINITELY not Hayes. There's nothing fake about Battier's blood on the court. When was the last time you saw a Jazz player cut wide open and had to run to the locker room? I've never once seen Hayes flop. Trying to draw a charge is very different from flopping. Flopping = flailing your arms about at the slightest breeze.

 

I don't know...

and since I don't live in Houston...

Giving the Jazz 1 finals seems worth it for me to see every home game for the rest of my life.

 

You must be blind or mentally r****ded. The Jazz have won two games of teh series all by flopping. And even though the refs swore they were going to stop flopping, they decide to call every single flop now. BULL****.

Go crawl back in your little whole. Get eye surgery something.

 

I don't know, I tend to think a true "man" would stick with a franchise through the ups and downs, through the great seasons and the bad ones, through the triumphs and the heartaches. That's the question that I guess gnaws at you. So, are you "man enough" to stand by your team? Hmm.

I can say that I've been a fan of Houston since 1985 and it'll never change, no matter how frustrated I get. I can also say that I do root for the Spurs, even though I don't personally like Bowen or Popovich (I guess Pop is OK, but all that stuff with him firing Hill and then taking over when they got Duncan, hmmm...). I can also say that I generally dislike Dallas but that I actually don't have a problem at all with Dirk Nowitski- I really like his game and feel that he takes a lot of unnecessary criticism- I don't care if everyone on this board can't stand him- I think he's a great player.

Stand by your team- that's what real men do.

Oh, and BTW, Kirilenko, Okur, and Harpring are among the best floppity-floppers in the game- but that's largely the fault of the referees for calling them fouls. Scola is definitely in the flop category, but you're way off on Battier and Hayes. They may try to take charges, but that is not the same as flopping. Varejevo from the Cavs is the same- he'll take a lot of charges, but he doesn't really flop that much.

 

Yes, I can testify to that.

 

i would live in dallas, makes it easier for me to go to houston plus i would save a lot of money compared to la. i have to deal with laker fans out here, mavericks fans at least i can retort back with no rings, hard to do that in LA with their dynasties.

besides the mavs are too stupid for their own good to win a nba title. the jazz may just be able to flop and cheat themselves to a ring. wouldnt be able to handle that

 

Most every team in the NBA flops. The Jazz flop, the Rockets flop, and the Lakers flop. Flopping is a part of the game nowadays. And Scola flops a lot.

But I would rather live in Dallas than see the Jazz win in all for the first time.

 

Trust me when I say it's not the losing. I'm not frustrated with losing at all. I can stand losing. I've been a Rockets/ Texans/ Astros fan long enough to have gotten used to the feeling. Just trust me. And when your team loses, it's not just you who is affected; every fan of that team is going through the same feeling. That's what was so much fun about it and that's why it's so easy to get used to.

My leaving the Rockets and rooting for the Mavs was something much much much more personal that anything I've ever tried to explain before. You just have to trust me on this one. I'm still a Texans and Astros fan and will always be. The Rockets, though, are a different story.

Now I've gotten used to Tmac's ways. That's not the problem. I can stand his comments, his bandages, his facial expressions, his contested jumpers, etc. That's what this superstar does and you just have to eventually accept it. It's not the personnel, it's not the owner, the coach, the colors, the logo, the stadium, the city. None of those. It's not Rafer or Yao or any of the other scrubs Morey has put together. Nope, definitely not that. And again, it's not the losing.

And even if you still don't believe me, then what about the Mavs? Even after the past two years, which is 10 times worse than what the Rockets have gone through, I'm still standing by them. Aren't they less accomplished than the Rockets to begin with? I'm still a fan. In fact, I took A_3P0's comment the other day personally and I decided to go to Friday's game. I coughed up more money on that ticket than Dave2000 did for his entire season tickets this year. It was something I thought I had to do. It was definitely worth it though. Being a Mavs fan has it's perks. But that's not the point either.

Anyways, Dirk is a great player. The guy is definitely under appreciated. I can't understand how people want him to lose. It's kind of like Lebron. How can you not want him to win?

Now to the flopping. When you look up the definition of a flop it says dropping down heavily or to move about loosely. So my idea of flopping while taking a charge is still considered a flop. When you try and post up both Hayes and Battier and you lower your shoulder before you make your move, they fall to the ground. It may or may not be a foul, but to think that those guys can't stand their ground is absurd. They aren't made of sticks, they are full size, heavy-framed men. And it's a flop. I've seen it happen. Battier even flopped last night and Carlisle said exactly that: "He flopped."

It might be that I need to watch more Jazz games, but I usually do not think of them as being floppers. When I think of flopping, only the Spurs and Suns come to mind. I'll keep a closer on eye next game.

But I still don't understand the hate for the Jazz. I just don't get it. How can you rather have the Spurs, Lakers, or Suns win before the Jazz?

 

The Jazz do not 'flop' in the Scola/Ginobili sense, where they would fabricate a foul. They do overload the refs with 'benign' contact, or as one poster suggested "turn basketball into football", so flaw the refs judgement. By forcing the contact, and initiating the physical tension, they tend to:

a) foul waayyy too much, compromising the standard of the officiating and risking incidental injury to the opponent.

b) get under the skin of many opponents, and coax them into getting hot headed or creating too much contact. this is where they flop, by embellishing the contact, not by setting up and falling like bowling pins. by contrast to the jazz consistent physical play, the rockets (or any team) responding with physical play tends looks forced and out of control. this is not true flopping, but it is drawing an advantage through the refs. cowardice.


redefined, you've got to realize that you will not win here. we know what sports allegiences feel like, we know how deep they run. it's lame to hide behind 'its too personal' for us to understand. you are good at listing reasons why you DIDN'T abandon the rockets, but you did and i suppose that's your prerogative, but don't act like what we feel isn't comparable to what you feel.

if your rockets love was as 'personal' as mine, then you couldn't just switch up. i could never do that, especially not to the mavs. i'm not a rockets only homer, i watch the whole league. i see the mavs for who they are, not as a function of the rockets. in fact, i sort of want to see them win just because they are so damn frustrating to watch. but to act like your fanhood is somehow more untouchable an unexplainable than ours is arrogant, and naive.

 

To respond to the OP, I would live in Dallas forever before watching the Jazz win the West. I turned off the Utah-GS series last year and would do it again. Dallas might suck but it's still America right? Maybe, maybe no.

 

If Carlisle said it's a flop, it MUST be a flop.

 

Jazz in the finals. I do not like Dallas at all. Nothing to do.

 

whats wrong with living in dallas

 

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