<B>Can someone explain why the Rockets can't trade for Jackson for one season? I mean the Rockets made a deal, the Warriors matched it, now why shouldn't the Rockets be able to try and trade for him. There must be some underlying reason that I'm just to blind to see. </B> I'm guessing its to discourage what GS is doing. If they could trade him to Houston immediately (or after 90 days), then teams would almost always match offers of free agents really coveted by another organization with the expectation of forcing a trade. With the current setup, GS wouldn't have matched it if the only interested team was the Rockets. The 90-day restriction on ANY trade is a smaller but similar idea to cover all teams. That's the only reason I could think of.
I think they should just make players signed by matching an offer sheet untradeable. If you don't want a player, either try to work out a sign-and-trade or just let them go.
Man, I don't even know which expletives make sense there . . . . I don't think you should be calling out anyone on lack of class. As a side note, I still think restricted free agency is a **** rule, and Swopa, I did complain about the Phoenix's front office's ethics as regards to the Tsakalidis deal.
Sane is dead on the money. St. Jean and Golden State are waiting for a gift instead of doing their job, and they'll end up sorry for it. Like usual. That's one sorry org. There are so many trade deals available it's silly. Why don't they pick up the phone for a change, instead of just waiting for it to ring? I think it's because they don't want to admit they screwed up with Antawn and his max and the collection of "talent" that does not fit together at all. I have no problem with MJax, and his attitude. The guy should be legitimately pis@!d. I sure would be. btw - anyone remember Mo Taylor's "attitude" in his final contract year with the clips? how about Hakeem "Trade Me" Olajuwon, when his eye socket got blasted? I'd still be happy to get MJax. I think he's a hard worker, and has a good "tude", really. If GS can bungle their way to making him a gift, (Rice? Collier/Langi/KT/Mooch/late pick?) I'd still take him. So he's got OK center skills. That's pretty darn ok valuable these days - look around. Mjax could certainly play good minutes at 5 and 4, if necessary with injuries, with this team, and be helpful and productive. Good luck Mjax, whereever you go. You worked hard, earned something, and they stick this up your nose. I'd be pis@$d!, too.
I find it funny how some guys are bashing Jackson because he WANTS TO PLAY. Ironically, these are the same people who probably b****ed about Cato being lackadaisical. I would be pissed at Jackson if he was content with making his 25+ mill while doing nothing. Jackson would bring some much needed attitude to the Rockets. To me, the Rockets seem to "willing" about losing. Judging by his comments, I would think Jackson is a competitor.
You would think the Warriors would want to showcase him right? I would venture to say that the Warriors aren't making the highest amount of money in the NBA. With that being said, why would they want to swallow a 4+ mill/year contract, when they already have overpaid players in Jamison, Dampier, and Foyle? Common sense and the GSW apparently have never crossed paths. What exactly was the Warriors thinking regarding re-signing him? Were they actually considering playing him? They sure fell short with regards to that.
The Warriors thinking in re-signing him was, they're not running a charity. If they trade him to the Eastern Conference for a bag of chips, they're better off than if they let him sign with the Rockets. (Sorry if that upsets your partisan sensibilities. ) And if they trade him to anyone and get a future first-round draft pick, that's a lot better than losing him for nothing. Why not just keep him? Well, if he was content to play the minutes of a good backup center (which is what he is), they would. But he told them before last summer that he wouldn't come back unless he was assured that he'd be a starter and a primary option in the low post. Here's his exact words in the Philadelphia Inquirer on March 31, 2001: "It'll be an interesting off-season," said Jackson, busy setting aside 15 tickets for family and friends before last night's game. "Last year, only a couple of teams that I worked out for were interested, but the Warriors wouldn't release me and they wouldn't trade my rights. Now this year, it'll be more interesting because the Warriors want me, but now everybody in the world wants me. "I'm not going to take a lesser role, and the Warriors organization knows that. I'm not going to let them turn me into a jump-shooting center, either. For example, they may want Antawn Jamison and Danny Fortson to work the post area, but want me to stand outside and shoot jump shots. I'm not going to do that, either, and they know that." Given his recent public statements, I think you can infer how delicate he was in letting "the Warriors organization" know of his demands. For a guy with such a large ego, though, Jackson is also very aware that there's not too many guys in the NBA he can beat out for a starting spot. Look at who's starting for the teams on his list: Tony Massenburg (Grizzlies), Andrew DeClercq or Pat Garrity (Orlando), Jeff Foster (Indiana). You guys can say he's the best center on the Warriors all you want, but he knows that's not true, which is why he didn't want to come back to Golden State. The other reason the Warriors matched the Houston offer was to provide injury insurance, with both Dampier and Fortson coming off of surgery last season. And when Dampier hyperextended his knee in late December, Jackson got his chance to play steady backup minutes. After a strong first game (13 points on 4-8 shooting), he shot 33% over the last five games, a span during which GS grew less and less competitive on defense. Gee, it's a wonder they didn't keep playing him to boost his trade value.
Swopa. Think of it this way. WHY would GS not keep him and make him their starting C? Last year as hs first year, and the whole team was basically him and Jamison. WHY on't they realize that Jamison just isn't orking out at the SF spot and became a near ALL STAR playing the 4 last year? I really really really really don't see it. They can have an excellent frontcourt. They just need to find takers for 2 rugged, defensive minded inside players. Now who's looking for that these days? If I were GS, here's hat my line-up would look like: MJaxx/Dampier Jamison/Murphy ---------/Mills Richardson/Sura Mookie/Sura/Arenas Larry Hughes and Danny Fortson. Adonal Foyle. You have good trade bait. In fact, Adonal Foyle would interest the Clipps I think (Odom). Maybe the Blazers?(Anderson/Wells) Thrown in a draft pick, you might have Spreewell. Marc Jackson as putting up unbeleivable numbers. I don't know why GS decided to go with Dampier and Foyle. Dampier worked out all summer, but Foyle?
Sorry, Swopa, that's not the way it's supposed to work. How do we know this? Because if you were correct, restricted fre agency wouldn't exist at all. If the only way a fellow is supposed to move along is by trade bofre he's an UFA... well, why bother with restricted free agency? After all, the very fact that someone wants a guy is indicative of the fact that he has some value. The point of restricted free agency is to allow players who aren't needed on their current teams to switch teams. It's incredibly obvious that it isn't the way you envision it, because of the rule previously mentioned by Jeff. You like to quote Jackson at the time, but he also said some fairly reconciling things when he was resigned. Basically: I'm not happy, but I'll do my best, and maybe I'll be traded later. The profanity didn't commence until he was getting no playing time off the bench. You really believe that GS is completely blameless? PS. It's absolutely silly for you to accuse us of being partisans on the issue. Do that next time if we're being unfair to Toronto.
The Warriors are showing why a team that is bad, it starts from the top down. St Jean was fired at Sacramento, then he gets a more powerful job with Golden State. There is something wrong with this picture for sure. St. Jean is so ass backwards , that he's not displaying a guy for the compensation he wants. He wanted the Suns unprotected pick and John Wallace which is pretty steep considering that the Suns might not make the playoffs. Whats more amazing is that the head coach was not displaying the guy who they wanted to trade which is even crazier. I really feel for th guy because i thought all along if we had him, he could be a inside scoring threat to take the pressure off Francis and the gang to make jumpers every night. Whomever asked where are all the dickriders for Jackson, well i still think he is a more consistent threat than Cato was and ever will be. I think its unfair that a team can match a offer , and then don't even play a guy. If the NBA looked at this and gave the player a veto power for half the duration of the contract matched, Jackson would be in Houston and we would be closer to the playoffs. Over the yrs Golden State has been known to make bad decisions, but this has to be one of the worse.
haven, he is a scrub. He's lucky to get 10 minutes a game behind Adonal Foyle or Erick Dampier. btw- The Warriors are the worst team in the league. At least the Bulls try to win.
Ha Ha! Lets take a look at some stats Foyle, who has been in the league five years. Points: 5.9, this is the offensive output of Foyle's career season. Rebounds: 7, this is the most he's ever averaged. FT%: 49%, this is typical of all his years in the NBA Dampier, who has been in the league six years. Points: 11.8, this is his max averaged FG%: 44%, but 4 seasons he was at 40% or below, and he's a center! FT% 66% Marc Jackson, his first NBA season Points: 13.2 FG%: 46.7% FT% 80% The only thing Marc Jackson isn't better at is blocking shots. He's the only one out of all three who has any chance of improving. The fact of the matter is he should be starting over those two absolutely dreadful NBA players.
I believe the Warriors had the 4th worst record in the league last year. Even more, they're in the West, which artificially worsens a team's record. Please don't make silly statements that just aren't true. I could care less if a team tries to win when judging it's overall prowess. Maybe i'll route for the team that tries hard... but if we went by your rubric, Portland would be ranked #29 (last year, at least). Incidentally, the word "scrub" isn't a good word. If a player has value, then it's worth debating the players merits. Using the word "scrub" just adds a level of invective that clouds the issue. If you don't like Jackson (and I don't, think he was way overrated this off-season), then please explain why. Using insults in leiu of arguments is usually counterproductive. Certainly doesn't make anyone on this bbs want to agree with you.
If the Warriors could Monday-morning quarterback, knowing then what they know now, do you think they would have matched the offer? Would they think the bad P.R. and team dissention, plus a couple million in wasted paychecks (3 1/2 million if they match salary to a cap fodder player with an expiring contract), would be worth a mid to late first round pick? Do you think this episode will make teams think twice about doing this in the future? Would Denver match an offer sheet to restricted free agent Raef this summer?
http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/aldridge/1323892.html I just love that one. The union getting involved in proving St Jean is an A$$HOLE.
I completely agree with & understand your point in this paragraph. Maybe, Jackson doesn't see himself as a backup, which is the attitude I would want from all my players. I want players on my team that have the drive to be a starter. His statements were not inflamatory in any way. Three weeks prior to his statement, he was one of (if not the) leading candidates for ROY. There was a lot of excitement over him & he had been putting up the kinds of numbers that almost any GM would love to have from their center. I'm sure that he probably felt he had some leverage at the time. It might also be assumed that he didn't understand how the CBA works & that he was a restricted free agent. The second paragraph indicates to me, that he felt he had proven his abilities as a starter & that if GS wanted him to be the backup, then he felt that he would be able to be a starter on another team. The part about GS's vision of his role on the team, indicates to me that he knew where his strengths were. He obviously doesn't feel he can be as effective, just shooting jump shots. Again, I believe that his recent public statements were out of frustration when he heard that GS management had rejected an offer from Phoenix. Since, he suddenly added Phoenix to his list of preferred teams, I can only interpret that as meaning that GS approached him with a request to make the deal & he agreed. Assuming this to be true, then why didn't GS already have the meat of the deal worked out, before they approached Jackson about it? I would consider the restrictions on a lottery pick to be the meat of the deal. Then why does GS think they can get a lottery pick for a backup center? Also, why have 2 teams reportedly stated they will give GS an unrestricted lottery pick for him? Only a real stupid team would give an unrestricted lottery pick for a backup center, that can't beat out the guys you mentioned. Let's take a look at those games shall we? Here's his game by game stats. The games you're referring to started on December 22 against Denver. Notice how he hasn't gotten double digit shots once all year. Also, notice how many times he goes to the free throw line & how effective he is when he gets there. He's also very effective at getting rebounds in his limited playing time. Hey, if you guys don't want this backup center, we'll be glad to take him off your hands, but not for an unrestricted lottery pick. If you still have him after the 1 year trade restriction expires, would you be interested in Moochie/Toronto #1 pick? http://www.nba.com/playerfile/marc_jackson/game_by_game_stats.html Game Log REBOUNDS Date Opp Result Min FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST ST BL TO PF PTS Jan 8 vsBucks 97-113 L 14 2-6 0-0 5-6 0 4 4 0 1 1 1 3 9 Jan 6 at Heat 84-92 L 15 1-5 0-0 0-0 0 4 4 0 1 0 1 4 2 Jan 3 at Hornets 102-114 L 11 1-3 0-0 2-2 1 1 2 2 0 0 0 0 4 Jan 2 at Cavaliers 98-113 L 20 3-6 0-0 6-8 2 2 4 2 0 0 0 1 12 Dec 28 vsRockets 93-100 L 11 1-4 0-0 3-4 4 2 6 1 0 1 0 1 5 Dec 26 vsLakers 101-90 W 13 2-2 0-0 0-0 1 2 3 0 0 0 3 3 4 Dec 22 at Nuggets 105-101 W 22 4-8 0-0 5-7 2 3 5 0 0 0 0 2 13 Dec 3 at Suns 93-110 L 10 2-5 0-0 5-5 1 0 1 0 2 0 2 3 9 Dec 1 vsMavericks 82-111 L 9 2-3 0-0 5-6 1 1 2 1 0 0 2 3 9 Nov 28 at Spurs 83-94 L 5 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 Nov 23 at Lakers 90-106 L 5 0-2 0-0 2-2 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 2 Nov 20 vsKnickerbockers 70-94 L 8 1-4 0-0 2-2 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 0 4 Nov 10 at Knickerbockers 90-71 W 2 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 Nov 9 at Wizards 109-100 W 3 0-2 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 Nov 7 at Raptors 92-109 L 12 3-7 0-0 5-6 2 1 3 0 1 0 0 2 11 Nov 4 vsTrail Blazers 96-86 W 5 0-5 0-0 0-0 2 0 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 Nov 1 vsSuns 101-107 L 4 0-1 0-0 0-0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Why the hell does anyone feelsorry for him??????????? It was HIS choice to sign a 24 MILLION DOLLAR contract. Think about that for a moment... Feel sorry for the poor b*stard who is getting $250 a week for a job he hates...and can't ever leave because he has nothing else, but please don't feel sorry for a guy getting MILLIONS to do nothing but train + watch NBA Bbasketball. Jackson has lost any respect I had for him. What a loser. Golden State did what was best for them as a BUSINESS. Mark Jackson did what was best for him as a BUSINESS MAN. Thus...end of story. If he was so worried about playing, he could have taken less and played elesewhere. Either way, 24 million $ is fair compensation for a season of 'hardhsip'.
No he couldn't. He signed with rockets because no one could offer him more. Golden State had the right to match and lowballed him. They knew noone had the cap space to get him and by forcing him to sign with someone else and then excercising their right to match they insured they got the best deal they could get. MJ choices were GS or no one. They used textbook monopoly strategy.
