And you are trying to say the justice system is right? I'm all for that. However, why don't we do the same for other crimes such as robbery homicide? I never said that hate crimes are punished to harshly. I just said they shouldn't be in its own category. If anything, make other crimes "up" to the hate crime "tier" so to speak. What is a quota and what is not a quota? I would say the 10% rule with regards to in-state Universities is pretty much a quota. Quotas aren't restricted to race. Also, is it that crazy of an idea that a company would break rules regarding quotas? Gee, Enron wouldn't break any rules would they...
I don't believe that he was saying that the criminal justice system is right but that's just what they say. I believe he was trying to say that it doesn't matter what we think because when it comes down to it the criminal justice sytem says killing A is worse than killing B. I hope I'm not putting words in your mouth Puedlfor. Sorry if I am but that's what I thought you were trying to say.
I didn't realize that I came across that way. What I meant was that it's not the race that concerns me, it's the actions. What I gave were somewhat stereotypical reasons that people do not like a particular race of people. When I said "I don't like race X because they do this" I didn't mean to limit it to that race. I meant "I don't like race X or any other race if they do this." Does that clear it up any? You're right. The system does make a difference. But I think the difference is in the quality of the life. While it may not be right, the justice system has said it's worse to kill a contributing member of a society than a criminal or a dead beat. And just because quotas are illegal doesn't mean schools don't work around them. A school may still accept a certain amount of race X because they want to look good. The thought is, the more diverse, the better. It's not a quota, persay. It's public image.
Lil Pun is right. I wasn't making a value judgement on our criminal justice system, just saying that the system already makes such judgements and having them make others similar to it isn't really that much of a stretch for me. As far as quotas, I should've said "racial quotas are illegal", to be more clear.
First of all you have yet to show proof to support ANYTHING in regards to your claims but here is one of your epic "opinions" that can't be proven wrong. Just because blacks couldn't afford the poll tax does not mean they had no right. They were given the same opportunity to vote as everyone else.
On this thread, I have given my opinions and why. I'm sure you didn't care to read that though. You haven't proven anything I said on this thread wrong, and in fact, several people have agreed with me? I guess you didn't read that either though.
Timing: Although I don't agree with what Princess said in some other threads about racism, I'm getting the feeling that you would disagree with her on anything. I mean if she said that the Earth was an oblate spheroid, I get this feeling that you would vehemently argue with her on that...
So now all girls are dumb enough to think that the Earth is an oblate spheroid? I just lost a lot of respect for you, you sexist pig...
LOL! Thus the views of Crazy Manny....Screaming Atomic Buffalo's #1 fan...dylan, you ain't nothing but a poser when it comes to Pookie, man!
Have any of you guys seen that Brady Bunch episode where they get on the talent contest and name themselves "The Silver Platters?" They name themselves such because they are trying to raise enough money to get the silver platter they bought for their parents engraved. That "Sunshine Day" song just cracks me up.
Recognize that Timing? I was wide awake. Maybe you need to get some better study habits! Just because blacks couldn't afford the poll tax does not mean they had no right. They were given the same opportunity to vote as everyone else. And DoD, yes white people do have a stereotype against them. Everyone on this board seems to think any white person who bows down to every black person's whim is a racist. We're the ones trying to keep you down. That's why everytime we mention something about a black person, it's considered racism. It's because the black people won't let go. They ARE equal now. They have the opportunity to do anything they want. If they don't take it, that's not my fault, but they think it is. As far as the women's issue goes, I'm not trying to draw a direct comparison, once again. Simply pointing out that other people had it bad and instead of complaining about it for years they did something about it and made something for themselves. Here is the entire post where you explain your "opinion", do me the favor of showing me where you explained how poll taxes gave blacks the same opportunity to vote as everyone else. Maybe you should read your own posts because I have been and I have more than enough completely ignorant things of yours to post if you seriously want to go there. This is right off a US Department of Justice site. http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/intro/intro_a.htm The extension of the franchise to black citizens was strongly resisted. Among others, the Ku Klux Klan, the Knights of the White Camellia, and other terrorist organizations attempted to prevent the 15th Amendment from being enforced by violence and intimidation. Two decisions in 1876 by the Supreme Court narrowed the scope of enforcement under the Enforcement Act and the Force Act, and, together with the end of Reconstruction marked by the removal of federal troops after the Hayes-Tilden Compromise of 1877, resulted in a climate in which violence could be used to depress black voter turnout and fraud could be used to undo the effect of lawfully cast votes. Once whites regained control of the state legislatures using these tactics, a process known as "Redemption," they used gerrymandering of election districts to further reduce black voting strength and minimize the number of black elected officials. In the 1890's, these states began to amend their constitutions and to enact a series of laws intended to re- establish and entrench white political supremacy. Such disfranchising laws included poll taxes, literacy tests, vouchers of "good character" and disqualification for "crimes of moral turpitude." These laws were "color-blind" on their face, but were designed to exclude black citizens disproportionately by allowing white election officials to apply the procedures selectively. Other laws and practices, such as the "white primary", attempted to evade the 15th Amendment by allowing "private" political parties to conduct elections and establish qualifications for their members. The net effect of these efforts was the disfranchisement of nearly all black citizens and the removal from office of nearly all black legislators in the former Confederate states by 1910. The process of restoring the rights stolen by these tactics would take many decades. And since you're such a big student of history I'm sure you'll remember something called the Grandfather Clause. The Grandfather Clause was a genius piece of racist legislation that held that any voter who's grandfather voted prior to the passage of the 15th Amendment did not have to pay a poll tax, take a literacy test, or adhere to any bogus land requirements. Not so ironically, since the 15th Amendment supposedly gave blacks the right to vote they obviously could not take advantage of the Grandfather Clause. Pretty fair huh? Even if you want to hide your head in the sand about the things I just posted you can simply acknowledge that the poll tax was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. That would seem to be a pretty clear and firm denial of your claim that everyone had an equal opportunity. Of course that's just my OPINION but it just so happens to be backed up by the US Department of Justice, the US Supreme Court, and all kinds of historical study but don't let that stop you from posting more of your factually inaccurate opinions.
Honestly that's not a very fair or accurate statement. I doubt I have even agreed or disagreed with any of her posts in any other thread. The racial make up of this board is decidedly white and asian if the last poll is any indication. Racism has likely affected my life a lot more than the majority of posters on this board so I have a vested interest in not letting these ignorant claims stand no matter who she's dating or what kind of cute username she's using. If the racial make up of this board were reversed you would see a lot more people getting highly pissed off at some of the things that are being said here. That's not a slight on the people here but when it affects your life more you're going to have more to say about it. What Race are You? You have already voted on this poll. European-American (White) 46 52.27% African-American (Black) 5 5.68% Native American (Indian) 1 1.14% Latino or Hispanic (Latin-American, Spanish-American) 4 4.55% Middle-Eastern (Arabian) 3 3.41% Asian-American (Chinese-American, Japanese-American, etc.) 17 19.32% Non-American White 5 5.68% Non-American Black 1 1.14% Non-American Other 0 0% Other 6 6.82%
I think the concept of race is silly. There really is no such thing, IMO. If you happen to be "black" or "white" it is simply because you inherited certain physical characteristics from your parents. It is no different then inheriting blond hair or being short. (Actually blondes and short people are discriminated against as well but there are no laws about that...) The problem is stereotyping based on behavior or sub-culture. We all do it. Think back to high school when you had jocks and preps and kickers (rednecks) and stoners, etc... We all formed opinions of these people based on their looks (primarily). When you can associate a sub-culture with a physical characteristic then it can become "racial". People want to hang around people that are like themselves and when a certain perceived behavior is associated with a physical characteristic we immediately choose to like or dislike a person without giving them a chance based on their looks. I can almost guarantee that a rich white person would probably rather hang out with a rich black person (and vice versa!) then with a poor white trash person. It's why athletes of different races get along - they all have backgrounds (and to some extent a sub-culture) in common. In the US around the turn of the century you'd never find an Italian person hanging around and Irish person... I don't think that Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans have problems with each other any more. Why? Because, for the most part, they have been assimilated into the same sub-culture. As more Asian, African, Indian, etc… people assimilate into the same common sub-cultures (whether they be regional, class, whatever) you will find fewer people with fewer excuses to hate based on looks. Anyways..just my two cents....
Timing- You are posting information on this thread that is COMPLETELY irrelevent to what I have posted on this thread. What I posted on that thread WERE facts. Blacks were given the RIGHT to vote. That's what I said and that was true. I didn't say other things didn't keep them from voting. You you still didn't prove me wrong there. You still have yet to prove my opinions on this thread wrong. Why is that? Probably because you can't. But I'd like to hear it. Should be interesting to see how you twist my words again. And nothing I posted on this thread applied to every sinlge case. They're generalizations. So if you only have one example that proves me wrong, that won'y cut it. I need real substantial proof. More accusations from old threads that are not relevent here don't count either. It's not even the same issue. Like I said, seems like people are agreeing with me on this one. Maybe you should just accept the fact that these are my opinions. I don't care if you don't like them. Just get over it.
"...Everybody's smilin' Sunshine Dayy, Everybody's Laughin', Sunshine Dayyy, everybody seems so happy todayyyyy....It's a sunshine day!"
That is from this thread. In the thread you are referring to, you said that they had equal opportunity. They didn't.
