1. Do you think McGrady could win 6th man of the year if he came off the bench like Ginobili? No. He won't win cuz he'll quit before the end of teh season. 2. Do you think Ginobili as the first option could carry the Rockets without Yao to win 10 games in a roll? What are you gonna do with 10 games in a roll or 22, when you can't win a series?
No. He won't win cuz he'll quit before the end of teh season. What are you gonna do with 10 games in a roll or 22, when you can't win a series?
What is more telling is that 45% of the people that voted in this poll would do the trade, that speaks volumes. DD
Hillary? Obama? McCain? tigermission1 for president! Unfortunately we are not able to add that "third piece" as of now. Maybe after this summer, but it's not looking good. You might have to trade one of the stars to get 2 good players to make that trio, but as of now it's not going to work barring some miracles. Manu Ginobili is good. He's a great player, in fact, but he's also got the best PF of all time and a top 10 (maybe even top 5) PG on his team to shoulder the load with. These playoff Suns, the ones who are in battle with the Spurs, would eat our lunch in 4 if we played them. I don't see how anyone thinks they wouldn't. The playoffs is a whole different beast and every team is playing extremely well. Even Tony Parker is tearing it up like the old days! Everyone kicks that extra gear into action in the playoffs and we just don't have it, hence why we are getting left in the dust by a beatable team in the Utah Jazz. Not easily beatable, even with Yao, but beatable. The only teams we would stand a chance against are those scrub-a-dub-dub Mavs and the Nuggets. Manu is a great player, no doubt, and as tigermission1 said he's probably the best 3rd option in the league, maybe behind 1 of the Celtics. Just look at the help he's had. Game 1 TD had 40/15/3 and Manu had a 1on1 all the way to the basket to win the game. T-Mac would never see that. Game 2 TP played like a man possessed and Duncan still contributed with 18/17/3. I'm not going to say Manu wouldn't be better than T-Mac in this position, no one knows, but Manu has the help in just as much as he contributes to a great system. He steps up his game just as much as anyone, but there are others stepping up with him. Manu DOES do certain things (in the playoffs) that T-Mac isn't doing right now: Relentlessly attacking the basket, hitting 3's, hitting FTs, playing INTO the other team, and flopping. Manu is NOT however: 1. The focus of the entire team's opposing defense. He faces single coverage most of the time and uses his talents to burn it. I mean COME ON they gave him 1on1 with Raja Bell all the way to the bucket to win game 1!! That's because they can't do anything about it. They have to respect everyone else on that team. Something the Jazz don't have to do here. Bowen? Corner 3. Finley? 3 pt threat. Parker? Mid range jumper/drive to the hole. Duncan? 3 pt threat apparently LOL (plus a decent midrange jumper) Horry? Nuff said. 2. A playmaker. He's a finisher. A great one, no doubt, but he's not on that team to make plays. He's there to score. To attack the basket. If he's not doing that he's almost useless and there's no denying that. He's very good at what he does, but he will not be keeping this team above water by making plays for scrubs. If he faced the defense T-Mac did, he would get shut down and then you can't argue he's as good a playmaker as T-Mac. Oh and the Suns give layups all day. When was the last time the Jazz gave ANY Rockets even half that amount of layups?
I would rather trade Yao. He seems more injury prone to miss a lot of games. Would anyone trade Yao for Dirk and maybe Barea at this point?
you do know they won one championship BEFORE those guys were there right in 99. their management has great eyes for talent in draft picks so they probably would have found somebody else.
I am not a big t-mac fan however I would still not do this trade. Now Manu and Finley or Manu and Barry then yes I would do this trade.
Why not? Imagine the lineup Rafer T-mac Battier Dirk/Scola Deke/Dampier Maybe we can ask for Dirk and Dampier for Yao and Landry That team above would be better as long as we have Deke in the middle for defense.
Anyone can see that Manu is a very good playmaker.....just witness that over the shoulder pass to Duncan on the roll last night for the crucial dunk that put the game away. DD
That speaks volumes right there. Go run this poll on a Spurs site and I'd almost guarantee that close to 0% would favor that trade. It's not just a question of talent. It's a question of salaries. Manu just gives you more game for less money.
Impossible to compare Manu and Tmac. Manu has never led an NBA team. But don´t be fooled. He was the go to guy in every league he has played. First option. Always. And the guy has won every single title around the world except for the WC ( Argentina got to the final, but Manu missed the game with a sprained ankle). So, your point about Manu not making his teammates better is BS. My personal opinion is that Tmac is better for the long regular season. Manu is better for the playoffs. So I take Manu.
I trade trade tmac for manu straight up in a heartbeat, but the Spurs would never do it. They will not want injury prone jump shoot happy tmac. Tmac a couple of years ago yes, but not the tmac now. He does not attack the basket like he used to. Manu is just a beast. Nobody can stop him once he imposes his will to the basket. Not even lebron is better than him at driving to the basket. Everytime I see this guy drive in, its an automatic two. Plus he can shoot pretty well from the outside as well and is a very good team player. If Yao was healthy and ready to lead this team. I would trade tmac + filler for manu and kurt thomas. We would be a team to be reckon with. One can dream right?
Also, there was a thread a couple months ago about trading tmac for kobe. Too bad we couldnt pull that one off. Kobe >>> tmac
You guys are completely inflating Manu's worth. He does not have double and triple teams thrown at him during the fourth quarter. His ability to get the bucket is facilitated by the fact that defenses are geared to stop Duncan. He capitalizes on this because he is a smart player and nobody finishes better at the rim than he does. But, there is no way that Manu could have lead this team to 55 wins without Yao. I guarrantee he wouldn't be able to get his shot off late in games, if he was playing instead of T-mac right now. Hell, his own coach doesn't think enough of him to start him over Finley (who went through a horrendous slump this season). Bashing T-Mac around here is fine, the guy has incredible flaws in his game for someone as talented as he is, but don't hang a series without our best player and our starting PG as the defining moment of his career. I get just as infuriated with the guy when he tries to be a hero at the end of games instead of making the correct play and going to the bucket. But there is no way he is more valuable to a team than T-mac. Besides if Manu became a Rocket I'd bet he starts getting called for travelling and his awful flopping.
Manu is the definition of a system player. No offense but if the guy wasn't with Duncan and Parker, he would not be as good as he is right now
