because theres no objectivity to these awards. the nba just wants to make sure these dumb awards stay popular so they give it to some popular player. if they gave it to anderson varejao, i doubt anyone would care. but garnett! wohooo i know this is not the mvp thread but i ma just say it anyway. Most Valuable Player (MVP) award is an honor typically bestowed upon the best performing player or players on a specific team, in an entire league, or for a particular contest or series of contests. well nba never really specifies which one it is. to me i see it as..if you take X player out of that team for that season..how will that team do without him. if you took kobe out for a reason, is it the same as taking out tmac out of the rockets? as far as dpoy is concered, i don't see how rebounds have anything to do with it. in fact i think rebounds is a useless stat. total rebounds for a game fluctuates depending on the field goal %. if you are shooting a high % wouldnt there be less offensive rebounds? hypothetically, if garnett grabs 15 rebounds out of 50 total, and yao grabs 12 out of the 35..isnt yao the better rebounder % wise? steals, blocks, charges drawn and who the player guards each night should be the main things taken into consideration.
KG deserved it. Even if you look at just this season. Compare Boston last year (one of the worst defensive teams) to this season (the best or top few in all stats). The defensive stats for Boston this season are amazing. And it sure isn't because of Ray Allen. Camby on the other hand....HUH? Team with the worst defense in the league...HUH? Of course he's going to look like a good defensive player if he's the ONLY ONE playing defense on the entire team. Put Chuck Hayes on Denver and he would probably finish 2nd too.
i dont see how u can take an entire team's stat and credit one person for it. i dont think garnett guarded all 5 people at one time. most of the improvement came from hiring our ex-assistant coach, Tom!
I can handle KG winning, the guy is a fantastic defender. but behind Camby?? please. the guy doesnt play D unless he is tryin to block a shot. show hard on a PnR? from time to time. play good help D anywhere but deep in the paint? nope show up and play hardcore D every play? Not even Thankfully Shane doesnt care about this, so Im not gonna feel too bad for him.
I think it came from adding a guy who is quite possibly the most versatile and best team defender the league has ever seen.
"most of the improvement came from hiring our ex-assistant coach, Tom!" As a Celtics fan, I can say with 200% certainty that this is way off.
Am I wrong? I guess technically I am since they're only the second worst defensive team for the regular season and the worst in the playoffs. Sorry, I guess I stand corrected.
i think battier would have been a fine choice but garnett is extremely deserving. battier should have been second but it doesn't really matter as long as they make up for it with a first-team all defense.
Did anyone notice what team is next to Shane's name Kevin Garnett, Boston 90 12 7 493 Marcus Camby, Denver 12 32 22 178 Shane Battier, Boston 11 33 21 175 Bruce Bowen, San Antonio 7 7 24 80 gosh damn ****in nba.com fanboi buull**** bs the nba picks a team they like most and pushes it down your throat
DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RANKINGS: * Houston Rockets -- 2nd * San Antonio Spurs -- 3rd * Los Angeles Lakers -- 5th * New Orleans Hornets -- 7th * Dallas Mavericks -- 9th * Denver Nuggets -- 10th * Utah Jazz -- 12th * Phoenix Suns -- 16th If you want, I can point out that the Nugs are ahead of 4 Eastern Conference teams as well. You can say the Nugs play inconsistent D. You can say the Nugs are sloppy, but we're not even the worst damn defense in our DIVISION this season. So saying that we're the worst defense ever is stupid and people just look ignorant when they say that. Yes, you're wrong. See above. You are a wise man.
like another poster was saying in another thread..if you are going to give it to garnett based on how the team improved defensively, then why hasn't duncan won it yet? this award should be given to battier..and that's the bottom line.
Oh, according to the DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RANKINGS i'm wrong? Wow, I don't even know how to respond to this. So basically what you're telling me is it's entirely possible for a team that gives up nearly 110 PPG (2nd worst in the NBA) to actually be a top ten defensive team in reality? We don't even need to get into the detailed statistics, the jargon, the gibberish. Let's just pause for a moment and think about this objectively. This doesn't at all sound stupid to you?
It doesn't sound stupid to me, but I am stupid from time to time. Here though, Nuggets is right. Analyzing defense on just PPG might be what the general public does, but not what NBA scouts, GMs and coaches do. There's fg%, eFG%, points per possession, pace, fts, steals, blocks...there are a lot of factors and defensive efficiency is a lot better stat to use than points per game. Denver's defense sucks relative to most western conference playoff teams. It's inconsistent, undisciplined, and unaware...well they're aren't the worst at those things, but bad enough to not be able to advance in the western conference playoffs. That said, they are not the 2nd worse defense in the NBA. This is OBJECTIVELY speaking. Because if you want to be objective, you must use stats and not let personal opinions get in the way. That one stat of PPG is not the end all be all judgment of defense. I don't think Denver is top 10 in the NBA in my opinion, but objectively, they are definitely not the 2nd worse. I can try to further explain, but I think I did a decent job doing so, and if you don't think you'll budge on your opinion that they are the 2nd worse defense then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
PPG as a rating for defense is overrated because the Nuggets have A LOT of possessions per game due to their fast paced play. Only dummies like Charles would suggest otherwise. That being said none of them are great individual defenders, or team defenders... their win total and +/- should suggest that they aren't the 2nd worst in the league. They're bad and inconsistent but not that low.
