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Too many Defense only players

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Apr 21, 2008.

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  1. heypartner

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    Saying we should "run run run" is just an pigeonhole argument. It's not based in Rockets reality.

    The argument goes like this: Since we all agree that Utah is bigger and stronger, that must me we are smaller and quicker. So, we should run run run.

    Firstly, few teams successfully control the tempo against Sloan teams. Second, Utah runs better than us. Third, we can't successfully run without Rafer Alston. Fourth, Brooks can't handle Deron Williams, so save the "Brooks is super fast" stuff (besides, he doesn't have the fastbreaking skills of Alston), we don't want Brooks guarding Deron much. Fifth, Adelman running teams are known mostly for their quick 3s and secondary break, which we don't compare. Lastly, did I say Utah runs better than us, especially when Rafer is injured.

    oh, i forgot to say, utah runs better than us, we don't want to force a track meet with them...something we are no better than average at vs the league.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I disagree with pretty much everything you have said there sir.

    I think Houston is fine at running the ball, and no one can check Williams one on one, that is why you play team defense.

    Get out and get some early offense....Rafer or no Rafer....get moving before they get set....

    Run run run....just got to get Tmac to move his butt on the wings to help finish.

    DD
     
  3. BrooksBall

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    Run, run, run, huh?

    You argue that Houston is fine at running the ball then finish your argument with let's get T-Mac to do something he doesn't do well, which is run the wing on fast breaks.

    Who are the other guys good at running since McGrady is not one of them?

    Deke?

    Hayes?

    Head? Incidentally, Head may be the worst guard at finishing fast breaks in the entire league.

    Battier?

    Landry? Maybe, but we haven't seen much of it to know for sure.

    Scola is pretty capable, I'll give you that.

    The bottom line is that if we try to go any smaller on the Jazz than we already are, we will get blown out.

    KEY POINT: The Jazz literally owned the Warriors, Nuggets and Grizzlies and won the series against the Suns, too. These are all teams that excel at running.

    How in the world will we succeed with this strategy unless you are saying that we are a better running team than the Warriors, Nuggets and Suns, among others?

    There is no magic solution to winning this series. If anything, we have to start with what we do best and that is play good defense. The Rockets don't win this this series by trying to turn into something they are not after 83 games.

    We need to play are hearts out on defense then limit TOs and try to execute well on the other end. I would also say we need to "hit shots" but that is not only obvious, it also much easier said than done.
     
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  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    He is great at it, when he actually does it.

    Nope, sit him.

    Nope, sit him.

    He can run some, is decent at shooting on the break.

    Sure, he can run well.

    Yes, gonna have to take a team effort.

    Good, you are getting there.

    IMHO, We do not match up with them in a half court game without Yao, I am all for trying something else.....

    Maybe not run run run as in beat your head against a wall, but opportunity running where you get the first good shot in early offense I am all about.

    DD
     
  5. heypartner

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    You are in Theoretical land.

    What you are doing is trying to state something interesting to say; something different. I can understand that. Everyone wants to discover some magic formula. Rockets reality is our solution is a boring comment that has been stated hundreds of times on this bbs and also, recently, by Scola, Adelman, TMac, Battier, etc. We need to trust our half court system, stay aggressive, make our shots, finish strong, and play smart defense for 48 minutes.

    That's boring to say. Everyone knows that. It's nothing new, but it is the truth. No one is saying the Rockets untapped transition offense is the key, to the point I think Adelman knows he would lose a battle of transition offenses.

    Utah is better than us at running and early offense. Better PG who is excellent in transition and early offense. More 3pt shooters for transition 3s. Plenty of wing runners/finishers, and a great trailer in Boozer, for finishing or a quick hit post play.
     
  6. RoxSqaud

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    We need Deke in my opinon.........Who else is a threat for D.........We need some D.........Landry has never blocked a shot (that i have seen).......Chuck Hayes..........And Scola is offense only to............I mean he can play ok D.....but not really a Defensive low post threat..........

    Plus........On the offensive side.........Landry is not all that good.....He cant go off the dribble to the rack............Cant play with back to basket.........Can only get wide open dunks (which are very nice)

    But Deke will actually scare somebody a little bit enough not to just puond them right to the goal..............

    Deke needs more minutes to me........When he waved off to come out......Rick should have left him out there.................

    When a 41 year old legend says he dont wanna be took out.......Then leave him in.........Exspecally after an amazing block..................
     
  7. BrooksBall

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    Maybe not run, run, run, huh? You were the one that said that, not me.

    Plus, you don't think they are already trying to take advantage of easy opportunities?

    You don't think Adelman is constantly urging them to push the ball when the opportunity presents itself? I've heard him say it all season long.

    Maybe, they just aren't good at it. That won't change at this point if Adelman couldn't get them to do it well all season long.

    Additionally, when a team is shooting over 50% from the field against you and is dominating the glass, it's hard to find many of opportunities to run.

    Moreover, the Rockets did try to run a few times. The problem is they couldn't convert.

    I remember a Jackson TO at the end of the 1st half and a McGrady TO trying to make a simple pass up the court to a wide open player.

    That running amounted to 0 points and 2 TOs. I'm not saying Jackson will typically drop the ball. I'm just saying this squad isn't practiced at running and doesn't do it well.

    Maybe, we just simply don't have the personnel to run or recognize when to run. You can't likely teach that overnight.
     
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    I agree with almost every thing you just said..............

    We can run.........We cant finish........If tracy gets to the goal he just does some impossible pass to some ghost man........

    We cant get into a fast pased game with them.........They have deron williams one of the best passers in the game..........
     
  9. leebigez

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    To say ak is average athelete is wrong. The guy has flirted with quadrupple doubles a few times. He is a multi skilled atheletic guy. As a center, okur is above average is also not right. There is a reason he beats guy his size off the dribble. Milsap and brewer are really good atheletes as well. Not to mention those guy are long also.

    The rox drafted landry who is a good athelete and brooks is also. The only problem is they're short for their position. The rox don't have multi skilled atheletes other than tracy. Utah has 7, u do the math.
     
  10. pmac

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    Old habits are hard to shake. We are a half court team, adleman's offense is a half court offense. They not be longer but they are definitely visibly stronger. Their players make ours look skinny. They are also faster at every position, but they don't often use it.

    I completely agree with you on the defensive players though. I think we should even go small with battier at the 4 sometimes too (we're getting pounded anyways). But, I thought the rockets should play with max offense ALL the time because even their offensive players aren't really notable around the league.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    If I am not mistaken Landry and Boozer measured about the same at their respective NBA Draft camps.

    Carlos Boozer was 6' 7 3/4"

    Carl landry was 6' 7 3/4" at pre draft

    DD
     
  12. rofflesaurus

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    Landry is short for a PF. you want your PF to be at least 6'9. also we are trying to run, however we can't run because we're horrible at it. t-mac isn't going to run coast to coast and battier isn't going to finish in traffic. the one time when we're succesful at running is when we have three guys who want to run are in the game: Head, Alston, BJax. T-Mac obviously doesn't want to run for some reason because he never does it.
     
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    The team looked best in game 1 while Deke was on the court.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    Sixth, as I watch Utah pour in a bunch of dunks in transition - it's hard to run off a defensive rebound when you have to have all of your guys up crashing the boards and are saying 10 hail marys and our fathers to keep from getting pillaged underneath.
     
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    TMac vs. Utah is not fun to watch.

    And we still haven't defended the Jazz, what is their shooting %?

    Run? We better hope Tracy goes ballistic in the 2nd half. :eek:
     
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    what's even worst is that we are shooting a better % than the Jazz.

    How freaking lame is that?

    Chuck Hayes loses more points on offense than he makes up for on D...nuff said.
     
  17. northeastfan

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    Can we please just get rid of Chuck Hayes?? OMG, he's terrible. He should stay on our side of half court all the time because it is too frustrating to watch him should he ever get the ball on offense.
     
  18. Shroopy2

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    and a bit too many Luther Head
     
  19. Rockets1616

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    1st of all, DaDakota, Boozer is 6'9 now, 2nd of all Boozer is WAY bigger than Landry, 3rd of all, don't post stuff in the UTAH FORUM saying were gonna get swept. WHY ARE YOU TALKING TO JAZZ FANS AND POSTING ANYTHING OTHER THAN TRASH TALK ON THEIR FORUM????? Im dissapointed.
     

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