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Chinese Internet Mob Threatens 18-year old Chinese Student acting as Peacemaker

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Apr 17, 2008.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    No doubt it is a wild west but going after someone's family even if it isn't physical is taking it to far and I don't think it something we should be excusing.

    I never said I wouldn't be allowed into the PRC, I have been to the PRC since then, only that I have been told by others I wouldn't be allowed as some sort of internet threat. To be honest I never take things like that seriously but just pointing out how heated the level of rhetoric can be.
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    I agree there is a lot of heated rhetoric on sides of most issues but I was addressing my own experience in regard to debate regarding issues that touch on Chinese nationalism. And its true that on many issues I've agreed with the PRC and their supporters and have been criticized by others for it. While yes I agree there are those who just don't like the PRC under any circumstance it does seem to me that most Chinese, not all, seem to be particularly inflexible regarding nationalistic issues.

    I wasn't on this BBS when either of those incidents occured but I do recall a fair amount of sympathy towards the PRC in regard to the bombing on other forums and while there was a fair amount of anti-China feelign expressed over the EP-3 incident there also seemed to be a fair amount of criticism towards the US as trying to provoke the PRC on the NYT forum that I frequented at the time.

    That's the point though. The land won't be taken away as the Dalai Lama as agreed that Tibet will remain part of the PRC. You're showing right now what I mean by a with us or against us view that says that any sort of accomodation will spell disaster.

    Of course you should have freedom of speech and there is nothing wrong with you expressing that. There is nothing wrong though with someone expressing a counter opinion. Why should who has the more protestors matter?

    I can't speak for CNN but I can relate to you my experience and my experience is that when it comes to nationalistic issues most Chinese, again not all, do take a very hard and uncompromising stand.
     
  3. olliez

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    For a start, Ms Wang is 21, NOT 18-year old like you title says.

    By deliberately mis-stating her true age, you succeeded in stirring up hatred of Chinese Internet users step one.
     
  4. wnes

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    She ain't got what she deserved yet.

    Hehe, didn't you democracy lovers jerk off at the sight of massive student demonstration in China back in 1989? You are seeing the glimpse of it right now in the new age. Why is it not as enjoyable, all of a sudden? LOL
     
  5. CometsWin

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    Protesting oppressive governments is generally considered a good thing while threatening college girls is generally considered kind of psycho. Glad to help you out.
     
  6. wnes

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    Violent protesting is hardly a good thing.

    When she spreads lies and distortions against her native country, the counter-reaction should be expected. Democracy cannot be everything to your liking, dummo.

    College girl, oh sweet. I can sense some Asian college girl fetish here.
     
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    Twisting facts to mislead readers in order to generate support to suppress the freedom of speech and opinions of people who don't agree with him<--Sam Fisher's facist way of debate.
     
  8. olliez

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    She was born on Feb 20, 1988 in Qingdao, China; her original name was Jiani Wang; later on she underwent plastic surgery to change her appearance.

    She also changed her name to Qianyuan Wang before applying for colleges in USA.

    ;)
     
  9. bob718

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    Not quite accurate. She change her name DURING applying for colleges in usa.

    And it was not for political reasons. Her first two attempts on getting a scholarship both failed.Then she chnaged name, took toelf and SAT again, achieved high score, then got a scholarship from Duke.
     
  10. wnes

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    Change her name to retake those tests so that her previous poor scores won't show up on her record? How the f* she got away with that? If that's the case, she is not just a b****, she's a cheating b**** that deserves all kinds of b**** slaps in the world.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    ^This thread is a great example of misogynistic violent CIM behavior. I guess that's what happens when there's 12 guys for every 10 chicks back home.
     
  12. meh

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    You know, I do wish people would stop bashing the girl's personal life. It's an invasion of privacy, and just plain not right.

    I don't really care if she was a slut or a cheater, or if she had a squeaky clean past. It still has nothing to do with this for the most part.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    great article i found


    http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/05/31/business/chinet.php?page=2

    Mob rule on China's Internet: The keyboard as weapon

    By Howard W. French
    Published: THURSDAY, JUNE 1, 2006


    SHANGHAI: It began with an impassioned, 5,000-word letter on one of China's most popular Internet bulletin boards, from a husband denouncing a student he suspected of carrying on an affair with his wife.

    Immediately, hundreds joined in the attack. "Let's use our keyboard and mouse in our hands as weapons," as one person wrote, "to chop out the heads of these adulterers, to pay for the sacrifice of the husband." Within days, the hundreds had grown to thousands, and then tens of thousands, with total strangers forming teams to hunt down the student's identity and address, hounding him out of his university and causing his family to barricade themselves inside their home.

    It was the latest example of a growing phenomenon the Chinese call Internet hunting, in which morality lessons are administered by online throngs and where anonymous Web users come together to investigate others and mete out punishment for offenses real and imagined.

    In recent cases, people have scrutinized husbands suspected of cheating on their wives, fraud on Internet auction sites, the secret lives of celebrities and unsolved crimes. One case that drew a huge following involved the poisoning of a Tsinghua University student - an event that dates to 1994, but was revived by curious strangers after word spread on the Internet that the only suspect in the case had been questioned and released.

    Even a recent scandal involving a top Chinese computer scientist dismissed for copying an American processor design came to light in part because of Internet hunting, with scores of online commentators raising questions about the project and putting pressure on the scientist's sponsors to look into allegations about intellectual property theft.

    While Internet wars can crop up anywhere, these cases have set off alarms in China, where this sort of crowd behavior has led to violence in the past. Many here draw disturbing parallels to the Cultural Revolution, whose 40th anniversary was in May. During that episode of Chinese history, mobs of students taunted and beat their professors and mass denunciations and show trials became common for a decade.

    In recent years, the Chinese government has gradually tightened controls, requiring, for example, that customers at Internet cafés provide identification.

    It also introduced an Internet policing system whose cartoon figure mascots show up on people's screens to remind them they are being monitored, and recently blocked access to the most popular blog search engine, the American company Technorati.

    There has been recurrent talk by the government of registering all Internet users, and many here worry that a wave of online threats and vigilantism could serve as a pretext to impose new limits on users.

    The affair of the cuckolded husband first came to public attention in mid- April, after the man, who goes by the Web name Freezing Blade, said he discovered online correspondence between his wife, Quiet Moon, and a college student, Bronze Mustache. Following an initial conversation, in which he forgave his wife, the man said he found messages on his wife's unattended computer that confirmed to him that the extramarital liaison was continuing. He then posted the letter denouncing Bronze Mustache by his real name, opening the floodgates.

    The case exploded on April 20, when a bulletin board manifesto against Bronze Mustache was published by someone under the name Spring Azalea. "We call on every company, every establishment, every office, school, hospital, shopping mall and public street to reject him," it said. "Don't accept him, don't admit him, don't identify with him until he makes a satisfying and convincing repentance."

    Impassioned people teamed up to uncover the student's address and telephone number, both of which were then posted online. Soon, people eager to denounce him showed up at his university and at his parents' house, forcing him to drop out of school and barricade himself with his family in their home.

    Others denounced the university for not expelling him, with one poster saying it should be "bombed by Iranian missiles." Many others, meanwhile, said the student should be beaten or beheaded, or that he and the married woman should be put in a "pig cage" and drowned.

    "Right from the beginning, every day there have been people calling and coming to our house, and we have all been very upset," said the student's father, who was interviewed by telephone but declined to provide his name.

    "This is an awful thing, and the Internet companies should stop these attacks, but we haven't spoken with them. I wouldn't know whom to speak to."

    In hopes of quieting the criticism, Bronze Mustache issued a six-minute online video denying any affair with Quiet Moon, whom he is said to have met at a gathering of enthusiasts of the online game "World of Warcraft." At the same time, Freezing Blade has twice asked people to call off the attacks, even joining in the denials of an affair - all to no avail.

    At its height, the Bronze Mustache case accounted for huge traffic increases on China's Internet bulletin boards, including a nearly 10 percent increase in daily traffic on Tianya, the bulletin board with the most users.

    In many countries, electronic bulletin boards hark back to the earliest days of the Internet, before Web browsers were common, and when text messages were posted in static fashion in stark black and white. In today's China, however, bulletin boards have been colorfully updated and remain at the heart of the country's Internet culture.

    "Our Web site is a platform, not a court," said Zeng Lu, a Web master for Tianya, which boasts 40 million page visits daily and says it is the world's largest bulletin board. "We cannot judge who is a good or bad person by some moral standard, but we have our own bottom line. If it's a personal attack on someone, we delete it, but it is very difficult, given that we have 10 million users."Although concerned about online threats, advocates of free speech say that is no reason for the Chinese authorities to place further limits on the Internet.

    "The Internet should be free, and I have always opposed the idea of registering users, because this is perhaps the only channel we have for free discussion," said Zhu Dake, a sociologist and cultural critic at Tongji University in Shanghai. "On the other hand, the Internet is being distorted. This creates a very difficult dilemma for us."

    Zhan Jiang, a professor of journalism, also defended open discussion on the Internet.

    "As freedom of expression is not well protected here, we have to choose the lighter of two evils," said Zhan, who teaches at China Youth University of Political Science, in Beijing. "The minority who are hurting other people in such cases should be prevented, but this behavior should not disturb the majority's freedom of expression."

    But there are drawbacks to unfettered discussion, as the Bronze Mustache case illustrates. "What we Internet users are doing is fulfilling our social obligations," said one man who posted a lengthy attack on the college student and his alleged affair. "We cannot let our society fall into such a low state."

    Asked how he would react if people began publishing online allegations about his private life, he answered, "I believe strongly in the traditional saying that if you've done nothing wrong, you don't fear the knock on your door at midnight.
     
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    The Chinese are cruel.

    At Tulane University Tibetian Monks were voicing their opinion bout Tibet and how their culture was almost completely destroyed. A group of Chinese exchange students started making fun of them until the point of the Tibetians were almost in tears.

    I would of kicked those Chinese in the mouth personally. But nobody did nothing and let the Chinese Students carry on with their B.S., Chinese are without a doubt the most rude, the most selfish, people on the Planet.
     
  15. Trip

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    That's an absurd generalization. By your theory, because a black man robbed a store all black people are criminals? Because a few Muslims carried out terrorist acts all Muslims are terrorists?

    What is this, WWII Japanese Internment all over again?
     
  16. olliez

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    You could be right, I will look up the exact time of her name change.

    Poor Sammy, he's shifting goal post again.

    ;)
     
  17. SamFisher

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    ^ This thread is great - I started a thread about CIM's internet hunting people, and a bunch of Chinetizens start posting in thread about internet hunting some random chick.
     
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    Hooray Math!
     
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    Woulda coulda shouda. Rather than manning up and dealing with those bullies like a man, you ran away like a b*tch to post racist drivel, ironically, in the chinese internet mob thread. What ethnicity are you, might I inquire?
     
  20. wnes

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    When she throws herself into the public spotlight in a manner like that, her background ala "privacy" is a fair game to all.

    The connection between the way she cheated to get admitted by Duke and her Free Tibet publicity stunt couldn't be more obvious: she will say and do anything to get attention - the sign of ambitious lying b****. She'd make a good candidate for journalist or lawyer in the *Free World*. Since she also went plastic surgery to change her appearance, Hollywood will probably take notice of the new starlet for their next installment of Red Corner.
     

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