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Relax Tmac. Just put it all on Shane

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Zboy, Apr 17, 2008.

  1. H-townhero

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    I'm pretty confident with Mutumbo in the game Kirilenko wouldn't be taking many shots and I am pretty sure Scola could guard him.

    Why does everyone think Shane isn't strong? He's in great shape compared to other Rockets players. The only thing that would worry me is his injury.
     
  2. Dave_78

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    So Shane is laterally quick enough to guard Kobe but not Deron Williams?

    We are not talking about him guarding Chris Paul, Tony Parker or Leandro Barbosa. Williams' has a ton of skills and is a big, strong guard but he isn't that quick. He certainly isn't quicker than Kobe.
     
  3. engr chris

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    Deke/Landry/Hayes

    Scola will be on Okur. If I'm RA
     
  4. ind0fo0

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    LOL mods deleted the deke on deron thread. i thought it was funny though :D
     
  5. BucMan55

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    Some didnt though, and a lot of people who fail to see the parody and sarcasm of such threads report it and actually think they are serious.
     
  6. Dave_78

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    Let's hope Adelman has a sense of sarcasm and doesn't take the advice given here if he visits.

    I'm joking but I swear Avery Johnson trolls Mavericks forums otherwise he wouldn't do some of the dumba$$ stuff he does (like changing his starting lineup to match up against the 8th seed OR sitting a HOF PG in crunch time).
     
  7. ferrarif1286

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    i dont think deron is one of those fast type of PG like cp or nash. I think he is more like kidd type of build but he shoots better. So I would definately want battier on his ass this entire series if AK and harpering are the ones to beat rox of all the jass, then be it.
     
  8. GATER

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    Not sure where you picked up the notion. But Battier is NOT laterally quick enough to stay in front of Bryant. Battier is a solid team defender but a very average 1:1 defender who knows rotations and how to steer the offensive player into help defense if he (Battier) is beaten.

    One of the greatest defensive mind's in NBA history...Van Gundy...didn't play Battier a single half-court minute on Williams. That out to be enough of an answer for anyone.
     
  9. xiki

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    No, THAT is not enough. BTW - D'less, clueless Rudy T played a lot of Clyde on Payton and Stockton et al leaving Kenny and Sammy to guard the 2s like Hornacek.
     
  10. Dave_78

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    Say you are right about Battier not being quick enough to guard Kobe. It doesn't matter. The fact remains that he does guard Kobe nearly every minute that Kobe is in the game. He also does that with every other elite SG/SF in the league. A lot of those guys are far quicker than Williams. They happen to be bigger and stronger too.

    I'm having a hard time understanding the logic of the crowd who thinks Battier cannot guard a PG with average speed yet he is one of the most effective defensive players in the league when it comes to guarding bigger, stronger, quicker players on a regular basis.
     
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    The sad thing is Juwon Howard would have been short enough to help Shane on Deron Williams. Oh well...
     
  12. blender

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    It could work. It will allow the Rockets to utilize Battier the best. And this way, they may get by with not double teaming Williams as much and focus on containing the rest of the Jazz team.

    As others have said, put Battier on Deron Williams, our PG on their SG (Brewer or Korver), and McGrady on their SF (Kirilenko or Harpring). But switch back if the Jazz decide to go bigger by puttng Harpring and Kirilenko at the same time.
     
  13. quickballah

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    If D-Will starts posting our point guards, then we should put Battier on him and move our point guard to Brewer/CJ Miles/Korver... its not like these three will post up our point guard and even if they do, that will take away their best options of boozer and D-Will
     
  14. GATER

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    We are all very fortunate to have you here as a historical reference. And to remind us of how standstill Hornacek would compare to Brewer, Harpring, Miles and AK47. Not being as intimately familiar with what Rudy T did or did not do, I'd say having Olajuwan standing behind anyone would automatically help the defensive effort. Especially when that someone was Drexler who when he retired was quicker and more athletic than Battier ever was. Nice try. :p

    What's so hard to understand? Have you seriously ever watched Battier 1on1? He is NOT a 1:1 defender. Go get the opinion of Battier's major reputable supporters on this board. None of them...durvasa, weslinder, Hayesfan...not a one of them will tell you he is any thing more than average at 1:1.
     
  15. notcool

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    I will use Shane to guard D Will.
    But only at Q4 or even critical times. If Shane is our secret weapon, I will first let the game flows. Then do some adjustments to throw their balance off.

    Okur did not play well last year. Boozer will get his thing. Make sure he is only a jump-shooter
     
  16. t_mac1

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    shane can only guards "certain" prototype scorers who like to iso.

    shane was HORRIBLE guarding harpring last yr (so horrible that JVG had to switch tmac onto harpring). battier was just a non-factor last year in the playoffs.

    but the OP brought up a great point. for shane to be a factor, it has to be on the defensive end. the only way he will do that is guard deron. i think brooks can't play for too long. bjax and shane have to be the guys who guard deron.

    i start out w/ jackson on deron, tmac on brewer, shane on ak47, scola on okur and deke on boozer. after 3-4 minutes, take deke out and put hayes in immediately to match up with boozer. hayes is too strong and quick for boozer to do anything. then rotate landry onto him. we gotta give boozer different looks like the jazz can do with tmac.

    if jackson can slow down or contain deron, let him play. if he goes off in the first, put battier on him.

    all i want is for those 2 to have different looks/players going at them so they cannot get into a comfort zone. that was why tmac struggled so much at times v. the jazz last yr. they had dfish, ak47, giricek, harpring, AND milsap at times guarding him. that's rotating 5 different types of players. that's why tmac only played great in 4 games and struggled in the other 3 (the ones in utah). it's hard to stay in a rhythm when you have so many guys going at you.

    we must do the same for deron and boozer. keep them guessing. scola/landry/hayes/deke provide different styles for boozer. jackson/battier (and maybe even brooks' quickness) will provide different challenges for deron.
     
  17. Spacemoth

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    Battier is the same way as Bowen. He does Baron Davis when we play the Warriors. Most other teams have a star at the SG-SF position though so Battier has no opportunity to guard the PG. Melo, Kobe, Durant, Manu, Peja, those types. I forget who he guards on Dallas, and he didn't play against Phoenix the last time but I guess he'd have guarded Hill/Barbosa.
     
  18. BrooksBall

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    #58 BrooksBall, Apr 18, 2008
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  20. Yodels

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    If Shane can hold Duane Wade (DW), then I think he can hold Deron Williams (DW). I was actually thinking the same thing a couple weeks back...

    If need be T-mac can play PG on offense...

    It is worth a try...maybe game 2 or 3...don't want to pull all the tricks in one game.

     

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