Eh, whatever. Just seems you like to question people a lot. That's better than just believing everything you hear though. Sorry, I really didn't mean to be so rude. It's been a really bad long day.
I didn't want to get into this thread again, but my point needs to be reiterated. Chicken in and of itself has no negative connotation whatsoever. The white elite made it so. I wonder if you all realise what that means. It is a issue of power. If the white elite says such and such is unclean and a sign of inferority, and you accept their judgement, you've given them the power they so desperately craved in the first place. The idea of when I say jump, you gonna say how high. To veil this issue in cultural awareness is ignorant, and does nothing but stereotype people in the same way. No I beg your pardon we africans eat such and such not chicken. So I assume, then, if you do eat and enjoy fried chicken you must not be african, right? No, we don't need that. What we need is an understanding about the relationship between blacks and whites to a far greater extent than cultural awareness can provide. After all, if white folk need to learn about black folk the same goes for black folk themselves. They know less than ever before of white folk.
What is "Historical Statistics of the United States"? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I'm really wondering.
Hey... um let me ask the COMPLETELY obvious question, how many of those white people were lynched on the basis of being white? Musta been those famous bands of black lynch mobs just running rampant I tell ya.
Historical=relating to the past, Statistics=numerical data Whats the deal with that question ? Timing, While reading the captions for the post cards I noticed one showing 3 black men who were hanged by a black mob for killing a black man,and thats what lead to my original remark.At the time period many of the photos were taken,there was a lot of vigilantism. In no way was I trying to insinuate that lynching black men because of racism didn't take place......sorry if it sounded that way. From the statistics it's obvious,that as the years went on,the number of racially motivated lynchings increased.
kbm- I think a lot more people need to listen to you. does anyone have the numbers of white persons being lynched before black people ever came to america?
Just in case anyone was wondering, I added up the number of lynchings as reported in the web site that DAROckets linked. From 1882 to 1970, there were a total of 4,745 lynchings. 1,295 of these were lynching of whites and 3,447 were lynchings of blacks. The breakdown is thus 27.3% white lynchings and 72.7% black lynchings. These numbers don't of course say what if anything the victims were accused of, but it is true that many white were lynched. Of course many more blacks were lynched but DARAockets was correct...
No what I meant was that the source given is usually something like U.S. Census Bureau, not Historical Statistics of the United States. Is that a branch of government, an independent think tank, or what. Regardless thanks for the vocabulary lesson.
As I asked before, does anyone have numbers on the number of lynchings of white people before the black people came? Also, how many of these were related to committed crimes? I'm thinking (while it doesn't justify anything) that some of these people did do something bad and rather than run a trial, the 'locals' took care of it? Just a thought. Not accusing anyone or trying to offend. Just a simple question.
And I really wouldn't trust anyone's numbers. The government would probably try to cover it up. And an independent might try to increase the numbers to make a bigger statement. Again, no offense to anyone. I'm just stating human errors that could occur, by whom and why.
Princess, it is very hard for me to speak about race since I have so many mixed emotions about it. I see a lot of me in you, but I have taken a different approach. I for years advocted cultural awareness in the sense that I tried to prove to white people that black people were just like them. This mission of mine stemmed from the fact that I got saved in an all black church, where I was the only white guy there. White in comparison anyway. I am half korean/ half white. I thought black people could do no wrong. And to a certain extent, I still feel the same way. However, there has been a movement of late in the black community. Many african-americans now are becoming nationalist in one way or the other. I am totally against this, and I feel I have a vested interest in this from my background. It is hard for me to have any meaningful dialogue with black people these days because all they see is a white boy. They in turn where the mask, or simply refuse to take me seriously on their level. I don't blame them however; I blame the black elite who force feed them this stuff everyday. I want to say you and me we can understand one another. I am just like you. I am more like you, I feel, than I am like my own race. But I still can't get through. It's very sad because I feel like I have no heritage apart from black people. Anyway ....
RM95..sorry just didn't understand what you were asking. The website is "Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy" How they came up with the data,I have no clue. Princess... First off,black people were brought to America as slaves.They didn't just come here.They have been here almost as long as white people have.In those early days they didn't keep many statistics.Besides I don't think hanging was the preferred method back then.
How about this: That particular Giant foods used to be the one I shopped at for several years as I lived maybe one mile from it. It also happens to be in a very high end of town, right next to some very expensive Jewish country clubs, and golf courses.
They hung people during the withc scare (like in Salem). I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have records from then. That's part of why I asked. kbm-I really admire you on this. And I think I really agree with you on everything you just said. Bravo!
Some people have serious problems with denial. Government was intrinsically racist until quite recently. If 73% of documented lynchings were of black people, there is absolutely no way that you can construe it in any other fashion as being completely racist. Princess: it is possible to look at all this and rationalize a way that makes it look innocent. But it's intellectually dishonest. Of course, everythign *could* be the way you'd like it. But the odds are very much against it. So far, you haven't put forth an intellectual argument for why one *should* look at it your way... only why they might. Do you have a reason to substantively believe that *your* interpretation of the data is superior to the majority? It's almost likea kid, who finds a million dollars under his parents bed, along with some naked photos of a movie star, and assumes that the movie star gave him the photos and the money out of the goodness of his heart.
