Black history "sale" angers shoppers

What an awesome post.

 

Princess, I know you don't try to sound like an imbecile, but you with every response you are showing yourself to be one. Quick history lesson, Princess: A voting rights act was passed in 1964 because in the American South, you know, the place where "old times are not forgotten," black people were effectively kept from voting because of things like the poll tax and biased voting IQ tests. Governments in the South, especially, enacted these measures and intimidated black people from coming to vote. This is a fact. White women didn't have such obstacles to voting since 1920. Sorry, that messy old history rears its ugly head and renders your arguments lame. Again.
Princess, you may recall in all of your extensive research, that black (and white) people were murdered in the South for trying to register black people to vote in the 1960's. Ever hear of Medger Evers? He tried to register black people to vote in Mississippi (you know, the South) and he was murdered. He wasn't murdered over a dispute over a girl, or in a bank robbery, or because he mean. Medger Evers was murdered because he tried to register black people to vote. Now, did Medger Evers have the ability "to laugh at himself" as he "complained" about racism? I don't know. What I do know, Princess, is that you should "find the strength" to educate yourself about these issues instead embarassing yourself further by making generalizations (black people don't laugh at themselves? Have you no knowledge of Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Spike Lee, or the entire WB network (joke) ?!) that have no basis in fact. And, really, don't you realize even for a moment, what gall you have to lecture black people about "not laughing at themselves" even as you whine about not being taken seriously on an internet message board?

 

Doctor, I'm not going to argue what you did or didn't mean to include. The fact remains that you feel people should learn other cultures unless, of course, I read "part of living in a multi-cultural society is learning about the multiple cultures" wrong. If that is in fact what you mean, my question to you is do you feel that blacks should also learn and understand white culture?

 

Don't remember any women getting lynched when they tried to vote. Don't remember women drinking from separate fountains or riding the back of the bus (except black women like Rosa Parks). Or having their churches burned down or getting tar and feathered. Not minimizing patriarchial oppression, cause I think all forms of oppression are linked, but to say women have had it as bad a blacks is a stretch. Especially for a black woman.

 

What I find funny are that the liberal people here always seem to lash out with personal attacks when we (the conservative group) try to have valid points. We are stupid, pissant college students / klan members to want to lynch and choke people with chicken bones and tread on thin ice because we express what we feel. I figured the liberal people were for freedom of expression more so than we are. Our life experiences are never as bad or mean as much as yours.

Elvis, pissant college students are just as entitled to their opinion as you are. I am sorry that black people have been screwed over as much as they have in our country. It sucks. I am also sorry that I have to hear about it over and over and over. I didnt lynch anyone from 1870 - 1950. I havent lynched anyone or intentionally held any back from 1977 to present either. I treat everyone the same. I dont cry a river when someone hurts my feelings. Lots of other people do. Lots of other people think that they are owed something for nothing. If anything, most minorities have more opprotunity than whites. College and jobs are now designed to help minorities. If you are a minority, you are more likely to get in a college and to get a scholarship. If you are a minority and are equal in every way (and even sometimes less qualified) with a white person, they are more likely to get hired so that the employer looks more "diverse". If someone doesnt want to work hard so that they are able to go to college, that isnt my problem. If someone doesnt want to work hard to get a better job and make more money that isnt my problem either. If someone doesnt want to do the things to make them better then give me my $.70 per paycheck because I worked for it and I will do something worthwhile with it. I dont give people standing on a street corner money because they didnt earn it and just because they are getting my money from the government doesnt make it any more right or me any more happy about it.

 

Rosa Parks wouldnt ride in the back of the bus. Thats why you know who she is today.

As far as women being oppressed, lets compare the average salaries of women today and the average salaries of men. Doing the exact same jobs. I bet there are some discrepencies there. I dont know the numbers but what is the percentage of minorities in high power positions compared to the percentage of women in high power positions?

 

Maybe you're the one not understanding? The average white person has no stereotype held against them when they eat fried chicken. The black person does. The understanding comes from "why is it derrogatory to associate black people with fried chicken?" not "why doesn't anybody make fun of the white guy eating fried chicken?" The latter is the way it should be, the former is what we have to figure out. I know why a white guy eating fried chicken doesn't seem derrogatory... you now have to understand why associating black people with fried chicken can be derrogatory. This, by your own admission of ignorance, was a problem, correct? You didn't know why it was derrogatory. That's part of understanding black culture and their experiences.

You're going to have to forgive those black people if they don't quite trust the average white person. I have no idea why they wouldn't trust the average white person. After all, they've been at the least "separate but equal" for about 40 years now right? That's about 1 generation removed from separate this, back of the bus that, lynch mob this, colored people that, etc. This is what many of them understand of white people.

Your statements and apologies in this thread would make it seem otherwise.

Here's an open invitation to you. You, as a white person, wish to be understood by black people. I'm not black, but give us some examples of black people's failure to understand white people and how they "have it all wrong". Let's go from there...

 

Not to discount the women's rights movements or the obstacles women face just because they are women in some environments (this is true today as well), but some obstacles are different for minorities. A major difference is that for women by and large were spread throughout the social strata (poor, middle, upper class). Once rights were enacted, they started a different places. Not that the glass ceiling isn’t there for women as well. Most minorities however, especially African Americans and Native Americans, all started at the bottom with a history of oppression. Further, as many African Americans would get organized and efficient and save up for land in the south (did start to move up economically and politically), often the land was swindled (at best) or forcefully taken (lynched, killed) soon thereafter. This wasn't that long ago, some of it less than 50 years ago. To deny this wouldn't effect you because it only effect your father or grandmother or the like doesn't make much sense to me.

In this thread MB has some of the most gross generalizations I have heard in a long time. I can see the tone has become less inflammatory, and that is good. If someone said most all peoples in Kingwood or the Woodlands were just a bunch of white racist money grubbing exploiters of the inner city Houston peoples who actually do all the real work--well I don’t think that would go over too well nor should it go over well. Such statements reveal a profound ignorance and hostility very hard to deal with intellectually and rationally.

I edited this post because the conversation (including that by MB) is getting less inflammatory. I have no problem with a conservative viewpoint--I enjoy the dialogue with many conservative leaning people on the board. Xenophobic and radical reactionary viewpoints blaming one group or another for societies problems and/or showing little to no attempt to understand another's thoughts or feelings, yes I have a problem with that.

 

Now I know where all your bitterness come from.

 

Man this thread has gotten serious.

Thank God all this stuff hapened in the past and not a SINGLE one of us had to live through it.


Ain't history a peach !!!

As long as we learn by it.

Now lighten up people, please !!!

DaDakota

 

Ugh. This has gotten ugly. Racism is an ugly enough issue without this sort of flaming.

 

I appreciate the edit. The reason I got upset in the very beginning was because I was attacked personally. I do not feel like I was grossly generalizing anything either. I go to the fifth ward everyday. I see the state in which the people here live and I hate it for the most part. Especially the children. It isnt like I have never been to this part of town and I am talking out of my ass. How often do most of you come to the Fifth Ward? Would you feel safe walking the streets alone? at night? Would you bring your kids to play at the park in the Fifth Ward? Was I wrong in saying that government programs are abused? What is the reasoning behind the lack of gas stations, convenience stores, restaurants, and other businesses in this area? If I came across as angry, I really do apologize.

 

So, you are a pissant college student, Master Baiter (why is it not surprising that masturbation informs you so well..)?

You can say whatever you like. If you want to come across as a mean-spirited little bigot, no one is stopping you. When you spew the kind ignorgant bile you have defecated on this BBS don't be surprised if all kinds of people here spank you like the little child you are, however. That is just the way of the world. In any case, I know your kind, dude..you talk tough about people on a BBS, or at home, but I bet you don't have the courage to say any of this garbage to a person's face, whatever the pigment.

 

I think you lead a blissfully ignorant life, and I really don't mean that as an insult. Heck I wish I were that way. I just happen to think you do based upon the above quote. Everyone may possess the strength to be happy in life, but not everyone is given the opportunity to do so. The grin and bear it approach doesn't always work. Being miserable isn't something people try to do, it sometimes is forced on them... know what I mean?

 

I'm actually glad Princess does not understand the sterotype. Hopefully in the next 15 years the majority of this country will not understand sterotypes, or the meaning of past racial words....

 

I find it to be far worst of an evil to stunt the growth of any race by attemting to insuate they do not have a chance to suceed. Maybe the opportunity will not come so easily, but still obtainable.... but thats just me

 

Hell, Timing.. that's still going on today. The effects, at least...

I know because part of my job as an (evil, horrible) College Democrat is to try to get minorities to vote. The general response is: "who cares? the system doesn't care about us anyway."

What went on in Florida last year didn't help either (referring to the fact that many blacks were prevented from reaching the voting booths, nothing else).

There's just so much disenfranchisement in the black community because of past wrongs, that it's going to take serious effort from all parties to integrate them fully into the political process.

 

Man, you have me figured right out. Why I am giving you a response baffles me. I am not afraid to say anything I have said here to anyones face because I dont think that I have said anything that is offensive. I actually discussed the thread during lunch today with wow, guess what, a minority. Just because you dont agree with what I think doesnt make me wrong just as what you think isnt wrong either. We disagree, get over it.

 

Racism sucks. I doubt the ad was intended to be offensive, but to cater to the black community in the area and thus improve profit margins. Since it was taken to be offensive, its good it was stopped.

I wasn't aware of a Fried Chicken stereotype until college. I don't believe its as prevalent a stereotype as people think. If you don't hangout with rascists friends and don't watch shows that make rascists comments a lot, you can easily miss a lot of these stereotypes.

I didn't watch much TV before college with the exception of Friends, Cosby, Star Trek, and Simpsons. My friends (the honors crowd which was multiracial) and I ate at the Popeye's and never thought much about it.

My problem has always been worse in the regards to culturally insensitivity. I don't know a lot of info about other religions so I will inadvertantly invite a Hindu to have some peproni rolls thinking they can eat meat that's not beef or inviting a Muslim to split a six pack. Sometimes people forgive my ignorance in racial and cultural issues, and sometimes they don't.

My worse racial incedent that I initiated occurred with JuanValdez when I started posting here. If I didn't apologize then, I'm sorry. I was pissed about two particular French men and shouldn't have made such a general statement.

Please, if I say something that is really offensive, let me know. I'm always trying to improve myself.