You can tell when MFW is really upset when he starts using "pathetic" 2x per post, sometimes even in the same sentence. When he caps it off with "moron" you know you've hit the MFW triple play!
Thank you for your response, I am too worried about the preservation of my culture. Since the 1960s native Tibetan population has declined by 15%, while the Han population has almost tripled. While I have nothing against my Han brothers, and I welcome their presence in Tibet if it means the continual improvement of Tibetan lives and shed light on the lack of religious freedoms that we are protesting for. I am extremely worried about the preservation of Tibetan culture. I personally can not speak any Tibetan because I was educated under Chinese school system and was only allowed to speak mandarin, the same for my father and most of my extended family rarely speaks it due to the fact that they where educated under the Chinese schools because they believe it would better their lives, and it definitely has. While I am very happy to be able to communicate with the rest of people in China freely, it truly pains me that I have no ability to speak the native language of my people, and will not be able to pass it down to my children. Tibetan culture is at a pivotal time in history, where we are now standing on the edge of its possible extinction if steps are not taken to preserve it. Because of the Chinese government's plans of assimilating Tibetans into Han culture by relocating millions of Han people to Tibet, we Tibetans are increasingly worried about the future of our culture. A example of the government's attempt of assimilating Tibetan culture can be seen in every aspects of Tibetan lives, from schools to television shows, where Tibetan is rarely seen. This can even be seen in many Tibetan names, my family's original name was Dorje, but while my dad was in college in China he was ordered to change it to a more common Han name for "communication reasons", and our last name in all government papers and international paperworks is Zhou. My original first name, bestowed upon me by a local Lama, was Tenzin which means the keeper of teachings in Tibetan, and which some of you might also recognize to be the name of the current 14th lama. This was also changed to a more traditional Chinese name while i was in preschool, and that name is what is on all of my official paperworks, passport, Chinese shenfengzhen, and my green card and social security card here in the states. While I would like to change it back to my traditional name it is simply too troublesome for me to do so. The construction and completion of the new railroad connecting Tibet with the rest of China is seen by many Tibetans as the final blow to the Tibetan culture. Even though this new railroad will bring a lot more tourism and other economical benefits to the region, I fear that this will also bring in more Han people, and erase the already weakened Tibetan culture.
it's not just not just Tibetan culture is under attack. Chinese culture itself is under heavy influence from the west. What we see in China right now is a mixture of east and west. I agree that certain parts of a culture should be preserved. but in order for a culture/civilization to continue successfully, it has to adapt to the new influence. i believe that's part of the reason Chinese culture is the only remaining "continuing" ancient culture right now. not because it's still the same, but because it has changed so much. and i don't even know what are some of the ancestors names are in part of my family. i don't think they are bitter about it. that's just the reality. i don't agree with the government actively oppress a culture (i don't think they are). just let the nature take its course. modern world has entered Tibet.
While I recognize Chinese sovereignty over the Tibetan region , I would like for full autonomy be granted to the region such as the current Tibetan government in exile, Dali Lama has proposed. But unfortunately the Chinese government have refused all dialog and negotiations on the matter, and simply looks as if they are merely waiting for the death of the current 14th Lama. This is a tragedy indeed because I believe his holiness the 14th represent the most peaceful faction of independent Tibetan governing factions. He has also stated that the position of the Dali Lama is only to serve for the good of the Tibetan people, and that its position may outlive its usefulness in the future. Such position was very unpopular with the more violent sectors of the Tibetan society who wishes for full independence from China. I believe that the Chinese government needs to negotiate with the Dali Lama before its too late, and set up a system where Tibet is allowed full autonomy without interference of the Chinese government, and before Tibetan culture all but disappears. This position is held by the majority of Tibetans and the Dali lama, because we don't think full independence from China will benefit anyone. The Chinese government and the Tibetan separatist groups needs to let go of their pride and start dialog and negotiations for the survival of Tibet.
Truth? HA. What "truth" have you spread all thread long? I'm still waiting for a simple answer on proofs of alleged police shootings of innocent peaceful protesters, among couple dozen others. If truth is your idiotic (and should I say Sammy Fisherish) dodging of simple questions because it goes against your pathetic "poor Tibetan" line, you've certainly done it. I'm hardly bothered by your pathetic little insults. The difference between you and me is that I can take insults as much as I can dish it out, though I don't make a habit of doing it first. You on the other hand, gets off your high horse and calls somebody a "Chinese big brother," or brainwashed, or the likes, and then gets back on your moral high horse when your fragile ego can't take the heat, criticism brought forth by me, which in most cases are dead on. See above. I threw the you're a moron line much after your pathetic antics. Phoning it in at this point? Please. How about we do this? How about you prove your assertion that the Chinese police are shooting peaceful protesters. What's the matter, cat got your tongue? Why should I bother coming up with anything creative when your pathetic ilk all fit the same mold. One generalized insult more than do the job. You can tell Sammy is pulling the same ole run away when his lies are caught tactic when he starts piggybacking off another loser.
Political Demands:Tibetan Government in Exile, Middle Way Approach (2006) Political Demands: People's Republic of China, Tibet Policy (2007) 1. Without seeking independence for Tibet, the Central Tibetan Administration strives for the creation of a political entity comprising the three traditional provinces of Tibet. 2. Such an entity should enjoy a status of genuine national regional autonomy. 3. This autonomy should be governed by the popularly elected legislature and executive through a democratic process and should have an independent judicial system. 4. As soon as the above status is agreed upon by the Chinese government, Tibet would not seek separation from, and remain within, the People's Republic of China. 5. Until the time Tibet is transformed into a zone of peace and non-violence, the Chinese government can keep a limited number of armed forces in Tibet for its protection. 6. The Central Government of the People's Republic of China has the responsibility for the political aspects of Tibet's international relations and defense, whereas the Tibetan people should manage all other affairs pertaining to Tibet, such as religion and culture, education, economy, health, ecological and environmental protection. 7. The Chinese government should stop its policy of human rights violations in Tibet and the transfer of Chinese population into Tibetan areas. 8. To resolve the issue of Tibet, His Holiness the Dalai Lama shall take the main responsibility of sincerely pursuing negotiations and reconciliation with the Chinese government. http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/04/10/tibet-china-macbain-oped-cx_lbm_0411tibet.html it's an article from Forbes, the above is the potical demands from the exiled tibat government! i'd like to have your comments on it,particuarly about the "three province" and "no transfer of Han to tibet" part seriously, i highly echoed the author that the exiled tibet government must be REALISTIC! GIVE the central government a jurisfication reason why they should accept such political demand!!!! personally, i feel the exiled tibet govenment are pursuing its OWN political agenda under the cover of perserving tibet culture and improving tibet human rights
thanks for posting All I really want is real information about issues, and that is hard to find when all you hear are media accounts and people with agendas. I also would agree with the person that posted saying that most westerners that support the Free Tibet movement are doing so for the reason that they dont know the real history of the region and assume that China took over a sovereign country, which is how the Free Tibet people like their message to come thru. I think we could get further in threads like this if the CHinese would quit assuming they know what is in our hearts based on a few wingnuts in the media and the jokers in here that are basically screwing with you to see how mad you will get. When are folks gonna learn that we need each other to florish in a global economy? Its all about the benjamins folks, it would not make good financial sense to deal with China in any other way than a trading partner and an important cog in the global community.
I really can not see what is so outrageous about those demands. I believe the 3 provinces are means to breakdown the current Xizang province into 3 regions, under one autonomous state under Chinese sovereignty. The "no ransfer of Han to Tibet" is not talking about baning Hans who wish to move into Tibet on their free will, but to stop the practice where the Chinese government has been assigning and relocating people from other parts of China to move to Tibet. I believe anyone who has lived in China knows about this practice, this was a common practice in the 1980s to 1990s, but with the decreasing Chinese government's role in assigning people jobs and privatization of the Chinese economy, I really do not see why this demand can not be granted in some sort of way. Currently Tibet is considered by the Chinese government to be a "Xizang Autonomous Region", how ever this autonomy is in name only, and we wish for this autonomy to actually take effect. Under the proposed autonomous region China would still have full political control regarding international relations regarding Tibet and its defenses. As said in the proposal Tibet would like to have control over "culture, education, economy, health, ecological and environmental protection". Which many provinces in China already have its own control over these aspects. Can you please state your reasons why you consider these demands are so outrages?
This just doesn't sound right. I have seen a lot of strange things in China(and in US too), but not this one. You said your dad was ordered to change his last name. By whom? It can not be by the government, because it is just not the way the CCP did things those days. Anyone has any knowlege about the communist propaganda knows what I mean. When I was a kid, I did not know what "ban chan e er de ni que ji jian zhan" means. I could not tell which one was the last name and I did not know "ban chan" was just a "title" like "dalai" until the day he died and one of my classmate explained it to me. Personally, I do not have any Tibetan friend. But I do have friends of Mongolian descendant and like. Many of them use Chinese last name, but none of them were "ordered" to do that. Since you mentioned your name "was also changed to a more traditional Chinese name while i was in preschool". Can you tell us who changed it and for what reason? I mean, My son has both English name and Chinese name and most of his doucumentation(passport/ssc) use his English name and he is not allowed speak Chinese in his English calss or other classes with English as the "official" language. I never blame that on US government or American school. I would not argue with you whether Tibetan population has dropped or risen because we can never agree on that. You beleive your souce is accurate and I beleive mine is. Can you just make a clarification for this board for the following: 1)Your dad was "ordered" by whom and for what to change his last name? 2)Your name was changed by whom and for what? 3) Were you forced to go to the Chinese school or you/your parents actually preferred you to go to Chinese school for better education? We can certainly have different opinions on any issue. However, I really like to have the facts straight before any disccussion.
first of all, it's not tibet being broken down into three province,why should?? but that the autonomy region they demand would inclued ganxu, xichuang as well,which has a visible population of tibaten!!!! secondly, are you sure there is a policy of intentionally transfering han into tibet??>?????? the majority han who transferred to there is the result of market-driven economy...they are mainly bussiness man....i read the interview from the economst journalist who witnessed the riots , saying that the han chinese there were under trenmemdous fear now...and some are planing to leave tibet!!!! they move in and out of tibet of their own will, not dictaroed by government!! thirdly, yes, they are not seeking independence from China...because IT'S not in their and tibet's interest.....but, why Central government should abandon governmental control of Tibet COMPLETELY and have NO say in how to govern tibet while have to subside tibet with a substantial budget to help with their economy and provide protection ON THEIR CALL?????? personally, i don't see any government would be such benevolent and philanthropist!!! especially having invested a lot there and take it into custody for decades....to me, the political demands from the exiled government means the central government should give tibet back to them politically while having to help them economically let me ask you another question: what the exiled tibet government EVER brought concrete living benefits to tibet people??????? don't fooled by the rhetoric from Dali Lama.....actually i found he isn't that trustworthy and sometimes double standards....he called on tibatens to protest ...but refust to take responsiblity for any violence resulted from the protests....sorry, you have to bear some of the consequences as a leader, even if not the consequence you were lookng for(which i personally doubt)...just saying i having nothing to do with it...seems to me not a responsible leader
Increased economic prosperity masks religious and cultural oppression in Tibet which effectively amounts to cultural genocide, Holmes said. "Contrary to the rosy picture she is giving, Tibet is an occupied country. The Chinese government does not understand that Tibetans don't think they are Chinese and don't want to be Chinese. People are not just going to roll over and say thanks for invading our country." Fu's claim that journalists coming to China to report bad stories "may not be welcomed but would not be stopped" was ludicrous, she added. please comment on this
bother to comment on this? World News Briefs; Dalai Lama Group Says It Got Money From C.I.A. Published: October 2, 1998 The Dalai Lama's administration acknowledged today that it received $1.7 million a year in the 1960's from the Central Intelligence Agency, but denied reports that the Tibetan leader benefited personally from an annual subsidy of $180,000. The money allocated for the resistance movement was spent on training volunteers and paying for guerrilla operations against the Chinese, the Tibetan government-in-exile said in a statement. It added that the subsidy earmarked for the Dalai Lama was spent on setting up offices in Geneva and New York and on international lobbying. The Dalai Lama, 63, a revered spiritual leader both in his Himalayan homeland and in Western nations, fled Tibet in 1959 after a failed uprising against a Chinese military occupation, which began in 1950. The decade-long covert program to support the Tibetan independence movement was part of the C.I.A.'s worldwide effort to undermine Communist governments, particularly in the Soviet Union and China. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...3C1A96E958260&scp=3&sq=CIA+china+tibet&st=nyt
ironically, both were assassinated by people who hated them. that won't happen to the exiles. CCP don't assassinate people anymore.
