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Dirk/Nash and Yao/T-Mac

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Tree-Mac, Apr 6, 2008.

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  1. Tree-Mac

    Tree-Mac Member

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    I think maybe less is better. What if Yao and Tracy break up, they'll have more success than now? Look at Dirk and Nash. Maybe sometimes things are just not meant to be.
     
  2. rocketshopeful

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    if nash is there for dallas 2006 run w avery having the mavs actually playing d, i think the mavs prob beat the heat even with d-wade getting all those calls.
     
  3. Tom Bombadillo

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    And we suck again!!!!!!!
     
  4. clos4life

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    What he said.
     
  5. plutoblue11

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    I thought the Mavs letting Nash go was the best thing for both parties.

    Nash wouldn't have won 3 MVPs stuck in Dallas, because Dallas doesn't run the same style Phoenix does. He would've been the same all-star, not necessarily superstar player he was before he left Dallas.

    He was also not clutch playoff performer, a liability on defense, and not the same player he is in Phoenix.

    The Mavs actually benefitted from the trade...for what the Mavs did on offense they really didn't need a great pg to be effective....(I still don't understand why they traded for Kidd...since he and Nash are pretty similar players, except Nash has more scoring and offense, while Kidd has more defense and rebounding in him).

    The Mavs aren't like alot of teams, where you have to have this great all-star pg to get the ball into the hands of your go to players or making easier opportuities for lesser players. The Mavs have players who score at every position and can easily beat people off the dribble or one on one.... which is big reason why Nash didn't have high assist total in Dallas... is because the players were great individually offensive players....they didn't need a great point guard to get points.
     
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    They do need a great PG that can bring those one on one players together and play like a team, it takes 5!
     
  7. plutoblue11

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    I think it can eventually work between Yao and T-Mac....without too many more injuries..but I believe that both players probably who benefit with lesser all-stars around them.

    Ideally, T-Mac could get over 20 to 25 a game easily, but he has to watch he shot selection when Yao is on the floor. With Yao, he could easily get 18 to 21 shots a game on inferior team and average 25 to 27 easily.

    But the main thing about these two is, they have never had a great supporting cast...I say this all the time, because Houston hasn't had a good supporting cast since Jim Jackson, Eddie Griffin, Kelvin Cato, and Cuttino Mobley were in town.

    If the Rockets had those kind players as supporting cast I believe they would have already play in WCFs and possibly the NBA Finals.

    I never knew why they traded Jim Jackson for David Wesley....JIm Jackson was the perfect glue guy, but yet he was capable of being an all star.
     
  8. Spacemoth

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    The Suns' system fit Nash perfectly, so maybe Nash would never have broken out into all-time status as he might be now. But still the problem in Dallas was Don Nelson's utter disdain for defense. That year Dallas got to the Finals they had the best defense they've ever had, mainly because Nelson was gone and Avery (it could have been anyone really, didn't take a stroke of genius) finally decided to bust his players' chops about hustling on D. Plus Dallas didn't have Josh Howard and Devin Harris playing major roles when Nash was there. It was the Big Three of Nash Finley Nowitzki remember. And Finley may even have been the best player in that stretch; Nowitzki also needed time to reach his prime. I agree with the previous poster, if Nash stayed on that team and even if they didn't sign whoever it was they ended up signing with the cap room letting Nash go got them, they would have won it all in 2006.
     
  9. plutoblue11

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    Some of the greatest teams of all time: didn't necessarily need an outstanding passing pg...I didn't say without a good or adquate pg....I'm just saying one who can accumulate alot of assist.

    I can think of about 6 teams:

    Chicago Bulls (M.J. years)
    Houston Rockets (Dream years, they had Cassell, but he wasn't a great passer)
    Los Angeles Lakers (Shaq/Kobe years)
    San Antonio Spurs (Duncan years, Tony Parker is good PG, but he is not really an outstanding passer)


    My point being is you can win without a great point guard, I'm not sure you can without a great big man, dominate defense, or a great scorer.
     
  10. caneks

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    I thought Nash joined Suns as FA.
     
  11. youyou2007

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    the date of tmac being traded to other team is not that far away. but it is not so clear whether it is good or not for the team. i think ppl tend to believe in yao too much. rox has been building around him year after year. while besides those big numbers, what else did he acomplish?
    especially after the playoff with jazz, i start to think maybe yao is not that kind of big men ppl hope he can be. really frustrating series. but yao won't be traded for he means too much for chinese market. so tmac has to go.
     
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    Nash seemed like a better player because he loves the PnR and Dirk has never been great at it because he doesn't finish well around the basket from it. The mavs have always run alot of isolations and taken alot of jumpshots. Dirk is better when he has the ball in his hands and creates for himself.

    These are totally different situtions. Yao can't create his own shot, someone has to get him a good pass in the post before he can go to work. Tmac is a great willing passer and they have never really looked bad playing off of each other. We have never seen them both healthy most of the year with a decent supporting cast (we may never see it). I just can't make a definite claim on breaking them up when we know we haven't seen the best they have.
     
  13. Alvin Choo

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    nah, if only both of them could be at 100% at the same time, we be looking a title defense year, not another year trying to get out of 1st round playoff.
     
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    the weakest chain on rox offense/defense is the PG/SG spots, on offense end, our PG neither penetrate alot non-giving out many comfortable passes to low post while Yao is positioned too long inside the paint or get fronted(w/ BJ this may be improved but BJ is like wut 37 yrs old?..), and our great SGs...uhh...just look at luther head pull up unreasonable shots...

    On defense, our PG/SG are too small compare to our team's guard, usually their r giving up alot to body size and had difficulty guarding strong guards.

    Everythig else looks great to me, on PF we had Haye(defense) Landry(Athletic, skilled) and Scola(extremely skill and experienced)

    and SF, Tmac(offense machine, good pass contributor), Battier(glue guy and can also shot Js and back down to paint against weaker player)

    and Cs --- Yao(no need to say more, when his on or off, he'd still very effective in both offense/defense end if he don't need to guard 3pt line picks), but next season Rox must sign a tall centre to backup Yao instead to PFs to place to hole.
     
  15. duteman

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    what are you talking about nash is the same player in Dallas as he is in phoenix...runs quick offense good assists and shoots the ball intelligently..only thing he didn't have in D was a finisher like amare
     
  16. WNBA

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    but we need to find our Josh Howard and Devin Harris.
     
  17. Prometheus

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    And what he said that guy said.
     
  18. smoothie

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    if next season is ruined by another major injury then i would advocate the breakup.

    you can't have 2 injury prone stars. you can deal with one because if he ever pulls together a near-full season then you have your year to make a run.

    however, 2 guys taking turns being injured only means that you are never going to be healthy enough to contend.
     

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