Which SWAT teams are it that are organized into division sized military infantry units, can be tasked as suplimentary Army units at the request of the Army, and are under the command of the Department of Defense, again? The PAP is analogous to the National Guard.
The militia is analogous to the National Guard. The organization of the PAP traces from its roots. When the PRC was first founded there was no security forces under the command of the CCP in place. A large portion of the PLA was retired to serve the role as police officers. Despite its military style command structure, the PAP hasn't served in any military capacity for decades now. They also fight fires, provide security or floods, are they firefighters/security guards/whatever also? The bottom line is, the PAP != PLA, nor would China rely on them in warfare. If and when that happens, we'd all be hiding in bomb shelters somewhere.
Strange they would choose the PAP for such a role as they are the primary force in charge of the domestic and social stability. I copied the picture from Ottoman's post -- please reread what he had to say -- the date is right there. It's like we posted an Onion article ... you have no clue. You state the Chinese government would never do such a thing yet they hire the PAP to wear Monk outfits -- the same organization that destroyed the Guru Padmasambava statue in Tibet. If there is civil unrest in China the PAP is the first deployed and we have proof that they have the necessary outfits to create havoc and confusion amongst the local population. ___ It looks like CCP propaganda is pretty clumsy. Oh yes, they try to hide certain events. -- MFW
answer: because thats the easiest way to get large number of young and strong men to fill the role? because the soldiers are so severely underpaid that they need to earn extra cash? i have no prove for this but my argument is at least logical because the US military also participate in many movies too. btw, the violent Tibetans are dressed in street clothes. i guess those violent tibetans are also from the military. i guess the chinese government tried to stir up trouble for themselves by looting their own banks and killing their own people? the government wants to stir up trouble so everyone can boycott the Olympic ceremony? they wanna stir up more trouble because they got nothing to worry about in the year of 2008? questions: can you tell me why they want to carry the monk dresses IN PUBLIC when they are (according to you) carrying out a conspiracy which is obviously a secret mission? can you tell me why the photographer of this photo can get out alive without a beating? this photo does not seem like a photo taken in secret.
MFW will not tolerate this PAP SMEAR! you tell 'em my Chinese Brother............if you are indeed Chinese..
Pathetic face saving attempt KingCheetah. If the CCP didn't use the PAP/PLA in any capacity to portray themselves as monks in order to incite riot, then obviously they have not spread propaganda, at least in this case, as was your pathetic claim. But let me make one thing clear, is your "official version of truth/story" now changing from "Chinese Army incite violence dressed as monks" to "Chinese police already have uniform (therefore capacity) to spread propaganda" now? I'll make a mental note of that. Here was my EXACT POST: You and Ottomaton both pulled a CNN and cropped out the key portion, taking it out of context. Then you and Ottomaton have the audacity to make it sound as if it's just about the "Chinese Army" dressing as monks. A more pathetic lie I have not heard. And your signature is pure comedy too. More of the same. Cropping and taking things out of context. Boy, if you are the type that "tell the truth against Chicom propaganda," I shudder to hear the truth. You are a pathetic liar. Plain and simple.
I'm still laughing at this one Sammy: Ottomaton has me behind the 8 ball. HA HA. I guess you didn't bother checking the source either. But I see we are improving Sammy. Instead of hiding your head in the sand like an ostrich as is usually the case when you invariably get caught in the lie, this time at least you are sticking around with pathetic humour in a pathetic attempt to parry the humiliation. Good, I need the laugh.
MFW, i guess SamFisher had stop making arguments and start posting nonsense so we should stop replying to his posts (unless SamFisher reply to my questions 2 pages before this one ). at least KingCheetah is still posting meaningful posts
KingCheetah posting meaningful posts? Wow. I don't know about that one man. As for Sammy, we have a bit of history. What you are seeing is the latest version of what always happens. Sammy caught in a lie, I post the truth, humiliates him and he runs. Couple more pages and we get to the running part. Don't think of it as any meaningful posts. I'm just enjoying humiliating Sam as we always do.
All you can do is sling insults with zero response to the facts I presented -- very familiar tactic MFW - however your hitless string continues unabated. "It looks like CCP propaganda is pretty clumsy. Oh yes, they try to hide certain events." -- MFW
HO HO HO......Pathetic is it? Pathetic times two is it? Well, well, well... Oh, you may have parried my Chinese brother, but I, of course, was not yet striking a blow, rather I was FEINTING and only trapping you into committing to a counter for my potential blow. So your parry, rather than putting you at an advantage, your parry gives ME the opening, the very opening that I require...to land the killing blow. Let me tell you my young friend - there is no killing blow. The killing blow is your incredible loss of face on this board because of your dishonourable actions and inabiility to keep your cool. You are in fact....a man without a face at this point. Faceless. Or as I say en Francais, un homme sans visage. Visage Perdu - l'histoire de MFW.
Sunday, Apr. 06, 2008 Will the Olympic Torch Burn China? By Simon Elegant/Beijing http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1728274,00.html China is dealing with visible and invisible opposition in the months before the Beijing Olympics begin. The visible was front-and-center in the world media as the OIympic torch made its way through various countries on a circuitous route to the Games. Everywhere Chinese security is on guard against activists prepared to disrupt the flame's progress to protest China's human rights record in Tibet and in the enormous province of Xinjiang. In London, a protester tried to grab the flame away from its official bearer; at one point, the torch had to make its way through the city within the protective confines of a bus. Earlier, when the flame traveled through Istanbul, Turkish police arrested a man who made a move toward the torchbearer. And in Paris on Monday, officials actually took the step of extinguishing the torch amid protests. But it is the invisible opposition, what Beijing prevents the rest of the world from seeing, that elicits the most concern. Recent reports indicate that sporadic violence in Tibet continues despite a massive Chinese military crackdown that has now lasted almost three weeks. According to Tibetan exiles and activist groups, Chinese police on April 3 fired on monks from the Tongkor monastery in Ganzi, Sichuan Province, killing an unknown number. China's official Xinhua News Agency confirmed that disturbances had taken place but did not report any deaths. Meanwhile, in what is certainly a deeply worrying development for Beijing, the unrest has spread to other ethnic minority areas, the Chinese authorities confirmed, this time in the far western Muslim-dominated province of Xinjiang. As usual, accounts of what happened by overseas activists and the Chinese authorities were poles apart. But there is no doubt that significant unrest over Chinese rule has occurred in Xinjiang involving hundreds and possibly thousands of protesters. There have also been round ups by security forces in which scores have been detained. The puzzle is what are the Communist Party cadres in Beijing feeling as they watch these events unfold ? Anger certainly. And worry about how the staging of the Olympic Games in August could be affected. But by all accounts, they have also been surprised, shocked at how resentment over Chinese rule has suddenly exploded, threatening to spoil what was supposed to be a positive, peaceful run-up to the Games. And therein lies something of a mystery. How could Chinese authorities have missed the potential for Tibetan violence? It was no secret that groups ranging from disaffected Tibetans to human rights activists would try and take advantage of the approaching Olympics to exercise some leverage for their causes when Beijing seemed most vulnerable. And yet, China's leaders appear to have been completely unprepared to respond to challenges with anything but brute force and harsh words. Indeed, if Beijing was caught flatfooted by the scale and scope of the Lhasa protests it has been equally unready to change its policies on the human rights front, despite knowing almost from the day the Games were awarded to Beijing in 2001 that hosting the Olympics would shine an increasingly bright spotlight on its dismal rights record. On April 3, activist Hu Jia was sentenced to three and a half years imprisonment after being found guilty of "inciting subversion of state power." Prosecutors had advanced as evidence essays he wrote linking the staging of the Games with human rights, as well as interviews he gave on the issue with foreign reporters. Hu's sentence was the latest in a string of recent convictions and imprisoning of activists apparently designed to stifle even the slightest sign of dissent ahead of the Games. Even China's huge online population of some 230 million, which is often cited as the country's most powerful force for greater openness, has felt the heat. Thousands of websites have been shuttered while government controls and blocking of sites outside China has intensified significantly in recent months. As Irene Khan, Secretary General of Amnesty International put it in a report released on April 1, despite promises by both the International Olympic Committee and Chinese officials, "The crackdown... has deepened not lessened because of the Olympics." Beijing's stance has left many observers puzzled over its inability to mount a more measured response: to practice better crowd control, to manage the media better, to try negotiation instead of knee-jerk repression. Some of the reasons are straightforward: the Communist Party is deeply secretive and highly bureaucratic, and its members are steeped in a longstanding culture of self- preservation. "Part of the head-in-sand problem has to do with entrenched bureaucratic interests," says sinologist Perry Link of Princeton University. "People who have devoted the last 25 years of their careers to 'opposing splittism' can't stop chanting that mantra without puzzlement over what to say instead and without a bit of panic about their own rice bowls and even, almost, their own identities." Link points out that leaders such as President Hu Jintao are of a generation that got "Soviet-style educations" in the 1950s. "They don't have the knowledge or imagination to make better decisions," Link says. Leaders operate under a system of collective decision making that constrains the state's ability to be flexible in the face of new challenges. Hu is painfully aware that his political position may well rest on the outcome of moves he ratifies on big issues like Tibet, where he served as Party Secretary during the last flare up of protests in 1989. "Like the bureaucrats beneath them," Link says, top officials "are frightened about their own positions and don't want to been seen as making 'mistakes,' especially mistakes of softness." This insecurity underlies the central government's heavy-handed tactics and rhetoric, even though repression reduces the country's stature in the global community. "When the rest of the world looks at China, they see this increasingly powerful and confident country spending more and more on its military, its economy booming, its financial power overseas growing," says Wenran Jiang, director of the China Institute at the University of Alberta. "But when Chinese leadership looks at the country they see the exact opposite: weaknesses everywhere from Tibet to Xinjiang, to rising inflation and civil unrest, environmental disasters and corruption. So the overall mentality of the central authorities is very insecure and nervous." Jiang argues that the only way to move toward a solution in Tibet is to negotiate with the Dalai Lama. But he says leaders are now trapped by their own words, which have fueled passionate nationalist sentiments among ordinary Chinese, who fervently believe that Tibet is Chinese territory. Any appearance of compromise by Beijing would likely be intolerable to the public, Jiang says. This lack of flexibility in spite of the looming Olympics is worrying, says Nicholas Bequelin, a China researcher with New York City-based Human Rights Watch. "Especially now with the Lhasa protests," he says, "they are facing a pressure-cooker period." Beijing will have to keep a lid on Tibet. But Beijing's problems are not confined to Tibet. There have also been rumblings of dissent in Xinjiang province, populated largely by the Uighur Muslim minority group. Protests by thousands of Uighurs, the Muslim ethnic group that speaks a Turkic language, over religious issues were reported by rights groups in late March. The Chinese press meanwhile has reported several recent clashes with separatist rebels in the province; in early March, the press reported that a Uighur woman had attempted to bring down a domestic passenger jet with a homemade bomb. Add to that widespread discontent throughout China over issues such as corruption and rapidly worsening inflation (prices of pork have gone up by two-thirds in the past year) and you have what Bequelin calls the makings of a perfect storm. It's a storm that threatens to blow in just when everyone's watching — and deciding whether they want to participate in China's Olympics. The Prime Minister of Poland has already indicated he will boycott the opening ceremony because of events in Tibet; French President Nicolas Sarkozy has said he wouldn't rule out a similar move. U.S. President George W. Bush called his Chinese counterpart Hu to urge Beijing to engage the Dalai Lama in a dialogue. Others could seek to distance themselves from the Games, if only as a precaution against "being seen on television dining with Chinese leaders as the dark reality of what's going on trickles out," as Bequelin puts it. For China, the fear is that what it hoped to keep invisible will become visible to everyone in the world. The authorities will no doubt make it virtually impossible for journalists to enter Tibet in the months leading up to the Olympics. But it remains unclear exactly how they intend to deal with the estimated 30,000 foreign reporters expected to witness the event, all of them eager to take advantage of Beijing's own regulations specifying that they can interview anyone Chinese who agrees to talk. "They still don't have any idea what is going to hit them or how bad they will look to the outside world," comments one senior Western academic who has close ties to the upper echelons of the Beijing establishment. If its conduct over the past year is anything to go by, Beijing's instinctive reaction to new problems will be to use its heavy hand once more.
This is getting interesting. Protests halt Paris torch relay early by JEROME PUGMIRE and ELAINE GANLEY, Associated Press Writers 12 minutes ago PARIS - Security officials snuffed out the Olympic torch and carried it through Paris in the safety of a bus at least five times Monday before canceling the final run of a relay repeatedly disrupted by chaotic protests against China's human rights record. Security officials put the torch on the bus for the last stretch but stopped right outside its destination, a Paris stadium, so a runner could finish the last 15 feet. At least two activists earlier got within almost an arm's length of the flame before they were grabbed by police. A protester threw water at the torch but failed to extinguish it and was taken away. Officers tackled numerous protesters and carried some away. The chaos started on the Eiffel Tower's first floor moments after the relay began. Green Party activist Sylvain Garel lunged for the first torchbearer, former hurdler Stephane Diagana, and shouted "Freedom for the Chinese!" Security officials pulled Garel back. "It is inadmissible that the games are taking place in the world's biggest prison," Garel said later. The procession continued but a crowd of activists waving Tibetan flags soon interrupted it by confronting the torchbearer on a road along the Seine River. The demonstrators did not appear to get within reach of the torch, but its flame was put out by security officers and put on board a bus to continue part way along the route. Less than an hour later, the flame was being carried out of a traffic tunnel by a woman athlete in a wheelchair when the procession was halted by activists who booed and chanted "Tibet." Once again, the torch was temporarily extinguished and put on a bus. The third time, security officials apparently interrupted the procession because they spotted demonstrators ahead. After the torch was put on a bus, protesters threw plastic bottles, cups and pieces of bread at the vehicle and at a male wheelchair-bound athlete. The torch disappeared back inside the bus a fourth time shortly after a protester approached it with a fire extinguisher near the Louvre art museum. Police grabbed the demonstrator before he could start to spray. The flame was whisked into a bus again outside the National Assembly, where protesters gathered. A session of parliament was interrupted and a banner on the building read: "Respect for Human Rights in China." City Hall draped its building with a banner reading, "Paris defends human rights around the world." Other demonstrators scaled the Eiffel Tower and Notre Dame cathedral and hung banners depicting the Olympic rings as handcuffs. About 3,000 officers were deployed on motorcycles, in jogging gear and with inline roller skates. A Paris police official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to media, says at least 28 people have been taken into custody during the protests. Pro-Tibet advocate Christophe Cunniet said he and around 20 other Tibet advocates were detained after they waved Tibetan flags, threw flyers and tried to block the route. Cunniet said police kicked him, cutting his forehead. "I'm still dazed," he said. Mireille Ferri, a Green Party official, said she was held by police for two hours because she approached the Eiffel Tower area with a fire extinguisher. In various locations throughout the city, activists angry about China's human rights record and crackdown on protesters in Tibetan areas carried Tibetan flags and waved signs reading "the flame of shame." Riot police squirted tear gas to break up a sit-in protest by about 300 demonstrators who blocked the torch route. "The flame shouldn't have come to Paris," said protester Carmen de Santiago, who had "free" painted on one cheek and "Tibet" on the other. Torchbearer Diagana said he was disappointed to see the protests, though he understood why activists were there. "Nothing is happening as planned. It's unfortunate," he told France 2 television. At least one athlete was supportive of demonstrators. Former Olympic champion Marie-Jose Perec told French television: "I think it is very, very good that people have mobilized like that." Pro-Chinese activists carrying national flags held counter-demonstrations. "The Olympic Games are about sports. It's not fair to turn them into politics," said Gao Yi, a Chinese second-year doctoral student in Paris in computer sciences. France's former sports minister, Jean-Francois Lamour, stressed that, though the torch was put out aboard the bus, the Olympic flame itself still burned in the lantern where it is kept overnight and on airplane flights. "The torch has been extinguished but the flame is still there," he told France Info radio. Police had hoped to prevent the chaos that marred the relay in London a day earlier. There, police had repeatedly scuffled with activists angry about China's human rights record leading up to the Beijing Olympics Aug. 8-24. One protester tried to grab the torch; another tried to put out the flame with what appeared to be a fire extinguisher. Thirty-seven people were arrested. In Paris, police had drawn up an elaborate plan to try to keep the torch in a safe "bubble." Torchbearers were encircled by several hundred officers. Boats patrolled the Seine River, which slices through the French capital, and a helicopter flew overhead. About 80 athletes had been scheduled to carry the torch over the 17.4-mile route that started at the Eiffel Tower, headed down the Champs-Elysees toward City Hall, then crossed the Seine before ending at the Charlety track and field stadium. French President Nicolas Sarkozy has left open the possibility of boycotting the Olympic opening ceremony in Beijing depending on how the situation evolves in Tibet. Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said Monday that was still the case. Activists have been protesting along the torch route since the flame embarked on its 85,000-mile journey from Ancient Olympia in Greece to Beijing. The round-the-world trip is the longest in Olympic history, and is meant to highlight China's economic and political power. Activists have seized on it as a platform for their causes, angering Beijing. Beijing organizers criticized London's protesters, saying their actions were a "disgusting" form of sabotage by Tibetan separatists. "The act of defiance from this small group of people is not popular," said Sun Weide, a spokesman for the Beijing Olympic organizing committee. "It will definitely be criticized by people who love peace and adore the Olympic spirit. Their attempt is doomed to failure." The torch relay also is expected to face demonstrations in San Francisco, New Delhi and possibly elsewhere on its 21-stop, six-continent tour before arriving in mainland China May 4. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080407/ap_on_re_eu/olympic_torch;_ylt=Av9Gst6Xm3xGp54HgREAug.s0NUE
why is that guy yelling freedom for the chinese? the hell is he talking about. does he know that by protesting, it's going to push chinese behind the government even more. people don't like to hear others tell them what to do.
wasn't olympics about temporarily pausing the war for sports? i mean, if you got beef, do it before and after the olympics. if you complain during the olympics, that's the point of it anyways.
Just get over it. Vast numbers of people don't like your country's human rights record. Let 'em protest/hurl insults all they want, you can't do anything about that. Good luck with the Olympics...
