i don't think that he mastermind the whole thing. i think the government repeatedly said that it's the clique. i mean, that's not a false statement. essentially, everyone in exile is part of the clique. it's probably people associated with him that planned everything. he probably knows something is going on and didn't stop it. or maybe he didn't know it would turn into a racial violence. but it happened.
You use it again and again and it simply makes you look idiotic. The U.S. had slaves in 19th century too- does that mean China gets to have slaves today? That's only tip of idiotic lessons that we can take from te "It's CHINA's TURN to colonize, dominate, and overwhelm and dominate indigenous people" line of reasoning. China is stuck in a time warp. The US pretty much got out of the colonization business after the Spanish American war - over 100 years ago. That is why places like the Phillippines, Cuba, etc are now self-governing nations. Hell, by that time even the American Indians had a form of self-rule that Tibetans will never get from their helpful elder brother Han overlords. I guess it has something to do with givng up territory as a loss of face. What a bunch of paranoiacs. I can see why Chinese posters always like to lecture me about how their country is unready for democracy and how they are grateful to be dominated by an authoritarian regime - Chinese don't seem mature enough to govern themselves, as reflected by the incredibly unsophisticated thinking on display by the Clutchfans PLA/mob. THat's why I repeat what I said at the beginning of this thread - why don't hte CHinese just kill or deport all Tibetans now and be done with it? The goal is to make Tibet into Xizang - so just do it already. Tibetans and their culture and traditions are going to be overwhelmed and destroyed by Chinese and made into museum pieces eventually - that's simply what happens when millions of chinese move into your neighborhood and take over. It's happened many times before. It's nothing new. If you want manifest destiny, than stop being a bunch of whiny b****es fighting wars on message boards land get serious about it. Join the REAL PLA and GO WEST, YOUNG MAN.
So when will the U.S. take a stronger stand against China on Tibet? Time is running out... you know, before we have to come back and kiss their asses and make up before the Olympics so that we can get the commie money to save this trainwreck that's known as the U.S. economy.
yes - I am real scared of China destroying its own economy in order to spite the US by torpedoing its primary market. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL SKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDDDD!!!!!
This inspirational footage of Tibetans, on horseback, no less, re-taking one of their cities from the Chinese is worth watching again. I shudder to think what may have happened to these poor people. <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/2uc7z-ITEJ4&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/2uc7z-ITEJ4&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object> Apologies to those of you reading this post from China- the government has likely blocked access to this youtube video.
^ truly weak. I apologize for the lesson in spatial dynamics, but the fact that a 200x200 pixel photo was cropped to show only one protester instead of two protesters is due to the fact that web pages (much like newspapers) do not have unlimited space. It's simple physics. That you equate this with the institutionalized censorship of the chinese state is pretty pathetic. (are you reading this, CCP 网特? If so, go f-k yourselves!!! Your great firewall will never contain me, got to put in a visa application soon.....) Though I must say, I guess I don't blame our chinese friends for making this mistake - they have no experience with a free press and have so much exposure to censorship that pretty much everything must look like a deliberate slight or censorship to them. I wonder where they even got all this information considering that one can't view CNN in China.
What else are you good at other than trying to paint the people who don't agree with you in a bad image in order to win a cyber space debate? Man up and attack their opinions just for once instead of using this lame tactic. The ones who argue with you in this thread obviously have no problem to have access to any news media in the world.
Very true. Chinese were very frendly to American. Even ten years ago, vast majority of Chinese liked US. The swing started in 1998, when an US missile bombed Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, causing two Chinese dead. Clinton did fair job with apology and compensation in the crisis. The real turning point was when Bush took the white house with all his harsh word toward Chinese the first two years in office. Two incidents just made it worse: first the US spy plane crashed with PLA jet fighter. The PLA pilot died and US crew safely landed in China and was treated politely by the PLA, yet Bush talked very bullish. Second was that Bush said "take whatever necessary to defend Taiwan". Maybe he just wanted to show this nation how tough he is as a leader, he did not realize(he probably didn't care either) how much it hurts to the Chinese. Also Bush has shown much better gusture since Iraq war, the damage was done.
Regime change is a lot easier if it starts at home. Put your words into action, Samantha, to prove you are not just a hypocritical little whiny b**** on an internet BBS.
I was quoting the moron making the argument above me, genius. Just like some bright-eyed young chinese will no doubt stumble upon this thread and no doubt, type up his trump card "if china has free tibet US must give back alaska!!!!11!!" - then sit back and admire his work as a good little citizen. I'm eagerly awaiting... Way to keep up with the thread wnes - next time read before posting - TIA, TOEFL
That's funny Sammy. That's really really funny. US style colonization has ended over 100 years ago? What about Puerto Rico, Guam, Hawaii, etc? It also seem that the US has figured out a more effective way of colonization. Go in, wipe out the existing regime, set up a puppet, see Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. They wanted oil, they were not beneath lying about it, drum up the public, then going in and beating the crap out of whoever is in the way. Sounds rather like what happened to those Native Americans? I think so. And those existing areas, what exactly are you doing about the situation? Apparently saying sorry is your idea of accountability. How about this, the Chinese get the free pass (and when I mean free, I mean no blame should EVER be leveled) to wipe out the Tibetans, then they'll say they're sorry. Not good enough? They'll say they're really really sorry. Hell, I'm sure they'd do the same for Taiwan, which is even more strongly Chinese land. By the way, for morons like Deckard, I'm being sarcastic. I doubt any Chinese would think they are unfit to govern themselves. In fact, they are governing themselves right now. They said they are not ready for democracy and rightfully so, or it would be the Soviet Union all over again. And China doesn't have a lot of oil for Hu to "re-nationalize." But then again, that's exactly what you want isn't it? Funny Sammy, I'm still waiting for your response on how 5% ethnic Hans is going to wipe out 90%+ Tibetans. Like I said, when you move a wildly overestimated 100,000 people in 50 years, you aren't doing a very good job. Is a fact only worthy of "debate" when it is in your favour? Chinese ultra-nationalist: "do I get a get out of jail free card like American soldiers at The Hague?"
So you are saying that they should negotiate just for the hell of it, even though you know the other party won't act in good faith? The CCP doesn't fear Dalai, they "fear" foreign opinion and the more than just a bit strong common interest between Dalai and shall we say, certain governments in the west. They "fear" the opinion of the ignorant average American who doesn't know what's going on and still decided to have a say. You know, ironically the CCP has gotten as far, if not further, with Dalai by not talking to him vis-a-vis talking to him. For one thing, it makes him realize that he doesn't have much bargaining power in the deal. It sends a very clear message. Had that not been the case, he'd still be talking about Greater Tibet and de jure independence
The US has given Puerto Rico no fewer than four referendums to separate from the US or become a state since 1952, since PR is kind of a net drain on US government resources, the prevaling hope is probably that they leave rather than stay. Unfortunatley they keep voting to stay as a territory because that way they get to be part of the US but then get a special tax status. Guam - luckily for us, the Spanish pretty much wiped out the indigenous culture there. But anyway, as far as I can tell, the Guam nationalist movement advocates statehood and closer ties with the US rather than de-linking. Perhaps they will get it. I don't really care what hapens to guam one way or the other. If the US were to give up Guam, just like it gave up Phillipines, Cuba, etc - no big deal to me. Hawaii - this happened before the spanish american war in 1893- and you're right, it was the last gasp of US colonialism. Of course - why this incident of 19th century imperialistic colonialism is used by China-boyz-2-men to justify China's current conduct is very obvious. Of course, modern-day Polynesians arent' murdered and repressed like Tibetans so we're really talking pineapples and breadfruit here. Anyway - since we are talking about giving up colonial/territorial possesions, which the US has done on numerous occasions (last time being the Panama Canal Zone) - please Identify one time, just one time that the PRC has ever willingly ceded any territorial claim EVER, in its ENTIRE HISTORY. I don't know of any - perhaps you do. TOEFLIA, TIA.
Do you actually believe that there are only 100,000 ethnic hans in Tibet - if so you need to tap into those superior math skills that Chinese are so famous for, becuase you're missing a few digits on that number.
Eh no, you didn't quote anybody in your post. Counselor, if you really have trouble comprehending what "quote" stands for, you should subject yourself to TOE*N*L, where *N* = native But I digress. Whether you are backpedaling right now, you did express the same view in the past, didn't you? My point stands. Put your words into action, and remember regime change starts at home.
I was referring to the 3,000 word essay quoted at lenght in post number #472 one post up. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=3576444&postcount=472 But fine OK I don't care. Let's give all the US back to Mexico but I'm preconditioning it to Beijing going back to the Mongols - PROVIDED that China invokes its right to use slavery DEAL OR NO DEAL DEAL OR NO DEAL DEAL OR NO DEAL
