What a tacky and manipulative post. 1) Battier -- funny how people believe different things. This guy thought I was <a href="http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=3483064#post3483064">against Battier and obsessed with Rudy Gay</a>. You on the other hand say I've never gotten on his case. Reminds me of all the clowns who say I've never propped Rafer for his improved play this year. People see what they want to see. 2) Cohen, who I didn't come close to calling a "dick", didn't call out the numbers accurately -- he didn't even follow the dialogue. 3) Nitpicking "2 weeks" is ridiculous semantics, no different than me pointing out that you called Rafer a "$4 mil/year guy" when he makes more than that. I made a (not so) witty about his slump the last couple of weeks ... I did not mean exactly 14 days from that second. Damn, next time I'll be sure to say 1.78 weeks. Just the same, it is completely irrelevant as Cohen quoted my reply that specifically stated a 7-game stretch of 32.2%. Playing dumb on 32.2% was kind of funny. Not to mention his "14 days" number tried to include the game against the Kings, which if you actually read the two-sentence conversation that Htowns_Finest and I had (that Cohen beefed on) makes this even more bizarre. And lastly, even if you did take exactly 14 days from before the Kings game, Rafer shot 33.3% in 8 games. I really feel like I'm teaching conversational English to you right now by explaining all of this. A true waste of time. 4) I said in those 7 games, Rafer shot 32.2%. That's a slump and that's not removing any games. You act as if I excluded this. Yes, I also pointed out that Rafer had a very good shooting night in that stretch (Lakers game). That doesn't belittle his contribution in any way -- it illustrates how poorly he shot in the other 6 games. Sorry, you're wrong -- this is relevant. As for "hating", maybe you do hate me but I doubt it -- I just think you hate Rafer being in a recent slump and are taking it out on me for pointing it out. Maybe because it's going to mess up the 3-day average chart you were so anxious to see, or because at Rafer's most recent peak you actually wrote that <a href="http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=3516967#post3516967">Rafer is better than Steve Nash</a>. Yikes, who knows. I don't really care what you think of me though. You can continue to consider yourself the bigger, more loyal fan -- I like to discuss what works and what doesn't. We used to be able to do that here without having our fandom thrown into question. I want the Rockets to succeed. I want Rafer to succeed. I fully acknowledge he's been great for much of this year. I'm fine with being wrong about what Rafer can do, but I know I'm right about what Rafer needs to do. However, I don't feel intimidated by you, Cohen or any other Meowgiite into not posting anything less than a press release because you scream "Hater!" at the top of your lungs. I am still willing to point out when he's struggling, and you guys have communicated clearly that you are not able to do that.
What????? You think just because you started a website dedicated to the Rockets that it proves your fan hood? Oh, sure you do radio programs, update stats, write cool articles and make sure the BBS runs smoothly. But what have you done for us lately? I mean where are the dadgum T-shirts? SHEESH !! DD This post intentionally sarcastic, Clutch is the man
Wow, Skip for Nash would be a backwards move? That has to be one of the most ridiculous things ever written in text. We're talking 2-time MVP, averaging 18/10 on 51% shooting and 48% from 3pt land. Any GM would love to give up Skip for Steve Nash. Seriously, aside from this season, what has Skip done that makes him better than Nash?
Rafer has surprised me with his level of play generally through the season. He has done way better at times than was expected. He is the X-Factor on the team, when he goes through a lean period so do the Rockets.I'm not trying to put the blame of our shortcomings on him,because other players have to step up too and frankly we aren't a contender for the Finals without Yao. I'm trying to point out the critical need for him to do well in this road trip,otherwise we will be in trouble.
ooh..oooh...get him...get him man Clutch went hard on him, if i was him i would just lurk from here on out. i disagree with the Nash thing completely but the guy is a little overated in terms of the grand scheme of 'DD superstars'.
The rockets should try to land Calderon this summer. Last night, Calderon came off the bench, and T. J. Ford was starting pg for the Raptors.
1 person's opinion does not a trend make. Many, many people have noticed that you are unusually harsh on Rafer. Not just me. Not just meowgi, or cohen. Many random posters have posted that you have it in for him. Thanks for trying to dodge by presenting a single case though - i guess if i went and posted somewhere else that I thought DaDakota was the smartest basketball mind in the world it would automatically vindicate his stance on such classics as Boki and Vspan. First of all, you said "Where the Rafer lovers have been hiding the past 2 weeks." That's not semantics, that's what you wrote. Also, no, you didn't write the word "dick" but you obviously implied it with the [paraphrased] "some people just want to make a fuss" (which is highly ironic since you're arguing that we're nitpicking semantics). Also, Rafer's 6 year contract averages 4.38$ million a year. That's a 4mil/ year guy. Just because he costs more this year, doesn't take into account his entire contract. You disregarded previous years, when he cost LESS than 4mil/ year. A 4.5$mil/year player should be producing about the same as a $4mil/year player, and about the same as a $5mil/year player. Taking a 6 game stretch is not at all the same as taking a 7, 8, or 9 game stretch. Rounding off is different than excluding data from a statistical set. I still want to see it. Who's taking who out of context now? If you actually bothered to read the thread, I listed a number of reasons (Not the least of which is Nash's $11 mil/year contract, inability to guard perimeter players, and lessened effectiveness in a half-court setting). Never did I claim Rafer was a better player. I claimed Rafer was a better fit. Ok, what? So now you're implying that I say you're not a fan? Wrong conclusion. Of course you're a fan, you run the damn website. I just point out inconsistencies where I see them. Fair enough.
lol @ clutch owning kokopuffs. BIG PICTURE PEOPLE!!! fact : rafer has missed a bunch of late. that was the point clutch made. he did not say he could not come back & lets pray he does!!! the playoffs are 10 games away!!!
Just because you make a claim that his post was manipulative does not make it so. Read again, because it's there for all to see and it was quite logical and coherent. You don't appear interested in addressing the issue. And you keep reverting to what you consider borderline insults... referencing intelligence, comprehension, 'meowgitte'... ... you like to browbeat and it doesn't help your argument. It's ironic that you imply others are trying to intimidate you. The argument is very simple. Attacking Rafer, repeatedly, based mostly on his shooting, w/o mentioning the rest of what he does or putting it in perspective for what he's done for the team this year, is ridiculously unfair and a lousy, myopic analysis. You could have ended this quickly by sharing posts where you gave some reasonable credit to Rafer for his contributions this year... that you really have a well hidden fair and balanced approach to Rafer and don't just sit back and wait for him to disappoint. I could very well have missed them, but I have seen many times where you attack him for his shooting w/o mentioning anything else about his game.
Well the last time i got into a rafer hating thread i got banned for sticking up for the man but as much as i like to get involved i really would like my member status back first! Mehdi
can you share what other aspects of rafer's game that is worth mentioning?? could it be his shooting, or is it his shooting?? i think its his shooting.
Assist to Turnover Ratio Ball handling Entry passing(when Yao was in there) Team and individual defense.(not Ron Artest, but certainly not Steve Nash either) Leadership abilities. Rafer isnt the starting PG because of his shooting ability. In fact, if it were based solely on that, Bobby Jackson would be starting.
I was being sarcastic. obviously rafer is not a good shooter. in fact, i am not sure what he really is 'good' at.
