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Carl Landry v. Hayes - Playoff Knundrum

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rileydog, Mar 27, 2008.

  1. EbolaScola

    EbolaScola Member

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    Chuck has no shooting ability at all. At least McGrady knows remotely what he's doing. I'm sure McGrady's problem is mental, but Chuck's is 99.9% mechanical.
     
  2. blathersby

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    Screw that. The way you spelled "conundrum" reminds me of my ex-girlfriend's last name. Now I'm thinking about her, you jerk. I'm going to emo pout for the next hour or so.
     
  3. GermanRoxFan

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    am i the only one that thinks that chuck hayes is actually pretty solid at making layups? i'd say he's really good using the glass to spin the ball in.

    the problem with him is not not making layups. it's his athletic ability. he can't dunk the ball (actually he can, but he's not athletically gifted enough to do it regularly in games) and that hurts the team. that's why landry is so important for us. he's the only front court player who is able to play above the rim.

    so it's not about chuck's layups. his individual fg % around the basket is higher than the rockets' average and about the same as luis scola's.

    defensively it's not even close. the rockets desperately need chuck to defend because no other front court player (besides deke) is more than an average defender.

    overall, the situation is much better than last year. but without yao it's still a major problem. against the weaker teams our pf rotation works pretty well. but against great playoff teams with a lot of size it won't be funny. our playoff success will once again be very dependant on matchups.
     
  4. dookiester

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    for me it IS about the layups. im not a guy who cares about dunks. theyre both 2 points. the only reason landry's dunks are better than chuck's layups are because landry's dunks are a guarantee. if chuck's layups were just as sure (or close to it) a bet i'd have no complaints. we know he's not going to be hitting jumpshots but i do expect him to finish when he's around the basket. he might have a decent fg% around the basket, but if you see the layups he misses night in night out it should be even higher. i actually think he makes his little baby hook shot with surprising accuracy, but the dude blows lots of point blank layups and thats a fact. and the difference between layups that he misses and layups other guys miss are that chucks are always relatively open. that said he does a lot of other things for us that are invaluable, but those layups are KILLING me!
     
  5. jopatmc

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    As long as we are keeping the opponent from getting an offensive rhythm and staying out of foul trouble, Landry and Scola will get primary minutes. When they get in foul trouble or the opponent starts exposing our lack of interior D, then one of either Landry/Scola has to take a seat for the defense of Hayes. And that is in all likelihood going to be Landry at this stage because Scola, although not a great defender, is a stonger, better defender in the paint than Landry. It really is a game of matchups. If we can keep the opponent off balance and force them to adjust to us then we are controlling the game. If we get in foul trouble and we have to adjust to stop the opponent, then we are in a much weaker position.

    Chuck Hayes is a top ten paint defender in the NBA, there's no doubt about it. He is a true bargain for what he gives to this team.

    I still think it is going to be in Landry's best interests long term to learn to play the SF spot and to rotate between the 3 and 4 spots depending on matchups. If he develops more consistency with his outside shot, then you can put him at the 3 and still play him with Scola and possibly Hayes for defense if needed. If the offense is about spacing then if he gets the ability to hit the 3 point shot at an effective clip, he could represent the best of both worlds at the SF position. I think he is too small to really bang with the big guys inside long term and I'm afraid if he puts on the weight to bang down there that we are going to see him lose some explosion, which is his greatest asset right now. Just don't see him ever being able to guard 4s effectively at his size/weight. He's just not big/strong enough to maintain his space when it comes to all the leaning/leverage they do in there. Everything Landry gets is off his quickness/explosion, all his dunks and boards are based off explosion, not positioning. He's able to get to the spot quick, go up quick, and either dunk or grab the board and take it back up for the dunk.

    Basically, when Landry is in the game, we've got to, and have been, utilizying him with a high degree of effectiveness, getting him on a quickness mismatch, then letting him roll off the pick to the bucket where he can stab it down on a bigger/slower defender. What we need to do better at is in masking him and bringing him help on defense to keep out of foul trouble and let him stay on the floor to force the opponent to adjust.
     
  6. H-townhero

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    I love how Hayes swipes at the ball for steals, but it does get alot of cheap fouls on him. Other than that and his poor shooting I love him for defense.
     
  7. RoxSqaud

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    I really dont see how chuck hayes gets out there and puts up anything productive.............BUT he does........I like watching him.......it looks like his rebounds are luck.........but he always gets 8-9-10 rebounds in limited minutes...

    And Landry...........Man he is just a monster........He will dunk on u then scream to the crowd with that face--yall know what im talking bout........


    Landry will give us momentum in the playoffs..........And hayes will do the dirty work in the playoffs...........

    I love our Depth
     
  8. QdoubleA

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    "VOTE FOR McCAIN"

    hahahahaa
     
  9. durvasa

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    I wish someone could put together a video montage of all the layups Chuck has missed. I don't think many of them would be wide open, easy layups as they are always portrayed. Most of them are reverse layups he attempts from under the basket. For an unathletic 6'5 guy, that is not a particularly easy shot to convert. Chuck rushes his shots too much. He doesn't have Landry's ability to explode in traffic, so he tries to get his shot off quickly before the defense can react. Consequentially, he'll miss easy shots now and then. Scola has had problems with this as well.
     
  10. azoghbi

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    blinebury said landry's minutes are down because he's getting back into game shape. i say the minutes each one plays in the playoffs depends more on matchups than anything else.
     
  11. richirich

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    Hey the thread starter used the basics of hooked on phonics and got close enough that we knew what he meant. No harm, no foul. Or is it no fowl? :D
     
  12. Rileydog

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    What's funny is that I scored near perfect on my SAT, graduated high in law school and writing is a huge part of my work. Oddly, I gave zero thought to the proper spelling of conundrum, but confess I probably woud have spelled wrongly even if I had thought about it. But I'm usually a stickler for spelling, grammer and punctuation. I ride my outside counsel anytime I see a mistake.

    it's the internet/instant messaging/email phenomenon -- folks just don't write cleanly anymore b/c of speed.
     
  13. F.Emelianenko

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    landry has just returned from injury.
     
  14. mag

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    If Hayes plays more than 15 min we are not getting past the first round. Any team playing 4 on 5 for more than 15 min does have a chance on the playoffs.

    I have always say that Hayes is a hustle player and should never play more than 10 min.
     
  15. Rockets4279

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    Hayes really does have a huge impact on defense for this team.
    I like how he can stop Kobe and Artest in the post though. He reminds me of a post Battier defender with a very high IQ he forces alot more turnovers than what stat sheets really do show like takes a few charges and can change the momentum of the game with cheer defense. Yea he is vital for this team no doubt but man that would be sick if he had a consistant jumper like Battier or Landry. He is also the better position rebounder and Landry is the more active rebounder and Scola is the more hustle rebounder and this is very true why we lead the league as a team in rebounding and most of it has to do with Battier and his impact on defense that formulates to winning basketball. For instance the goto guys on the wing always go in shooting funks and the more they shoot and Battier makes them miss he is resposible for all those extra team rebounds.
     
  16. 1JumpShot

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    i would rather him keep on improving his offense than defense even though he could improve both.
     
  17. leebigez

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    I guess people still haven't learned from the playoffs. Chuck Hayes is a scrub! If hayes is playing major minutes in the playoffs, pack ur bags and get ready for next season.
     
  18. jajayao

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    Hayes is awesome at guarding big guards(Bonzi, Artest) and mobile forwards/centers(Boozer, Dirk). He's also a solid rebounder. Sure he can't hit a jumpshot for the life of him, but depending on match up, he should get anywhere from 10-20 minutes per game.
     
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    Chuck has gotten really good under the basket. I've been impressed with the improvement he's made to his FT % as well as the layups the past few games.

    Unfortunately chuck's range is still very short. Regardless, I think we're going to need to use Chuck and Landry in different situations. I would play Chuck more when we have a slight lead and want to sustain it; Landry for when we need a little more offensive ability and rebounds.
     
  20. Noob Cake

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    Hays;
    Defensive beast
    Good ball sense
    Great rebounds
    Great steals
    Foul trouble
    Hustle

    Landry;
    Great finisher
    2+1
    Only Rox that dunks (other than Landry and TMac (rarely), no one on Rox dunks)
    Decent jumper

    Imo for subs
    Scola -> Landry
    Battier -> Hayes

    Both are keepers, but Landry definitely has more potential. On the other hand, we have that guy Heads.....
     

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