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the Notorious Rafer

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by aussie rocket, Mar 23, 2008.

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  1. abc2007

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    Agreed! I don't think Rafer is able to stop any of those pgs.

     
  2. abc2007

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    I don't know where you get that idea! In fact, even Bobby Jackson is a better defender than Rafer.

     
  3. DaDakota

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    We don't have any superstars on this team, we have 2 star players, but neither qualify as superstars.....

    Yao is too slow, and Tmac is too weak minded......

    Together they are great, but we do not have a superstar all time player like a Bird, Magic, Wilt, Dream, etc....someone who can will the team to victory and lead the rest of the players....

    Tmac can't ....Yao still has a chance to do it but he has to stay healthy....

    Quoted for truth.

    DD
     
  4. BoomShakalaka

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    Fisher is trash, all he does is stand at the 3pt line and isn't active. His #s
    ppg 12.1 apg 2.9 steals 1 vs Rafer's ppg 13.2 apg 5.5 steals 1.4. This is a ridiculous comparison. When has Fisher scored 28pts and much less had 5 assists in a game. You would think Fisher would have more assists with guys like Pau Gasol and Kobe on his team. Rafer is not one of the best PGs in the West but he's definitely better Fisher.
     
  5. Htowns_Finest

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    Dakota is telling the truth today lol!
     
  6. abc2007

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    DD, I disagree this!

    Honestly, I really think Tmac is a strong minded person! If anyone who has Tmac's talent and plays 10 years in this league and never passed the 1st round, he could be destroyed mentally. When Tmac was in Orlando, Hill is not healthy, Tmac was fighting alone. Here, Houston, Yao is not healthy, Tmac has to fight by himself again. Without another star, the team cannot have a very good seed in regular season, and thus it is hard to pass the 1st round! Don't blame Tmac for it. When Yao was out of this season, Tmac didn't give up and lead the team to get the 22 winning streak!

    As a person, I admire Tmac! I am always wondering If I met so many difficulties like him, would I still have enough caurage to face life and fight...

     
  7. Htowns_Finest

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    Umm did you forget about Kevin Garnett?
     
  8. DaDakota

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    Also a player I do not think is a superstar.

    DD
     
  9. abc2007

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    What about Garnett? I remember he cried and call himself a loser, and finally asked a trade!

     
  10. Texas Stoke

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    Quoted for truth.

    TS
     
  11. Htowns_Finest

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    Yep!!
     
  12. pmac

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    If that is your criteria for a superstar I can't disagree...

    and if KG isn't one....you can probably list them all can't you

    I think people take this leading a team to wins too far. I think Tmac could have done alot more with championship calibur role players, when he was healthy (Orlando years).

    No matter how hard Yao tries I just can't see him doing much without another star. He just doesn't have enough atheleticism to compete some nights. People always talk about different schemes to keep Yao from guarding certain types of players but at some point we have to figure out he just can't do it. He has problems guarding atheletic bigs not just small ball teams.
     
  13. Jeff Who

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    Well I have to agree with pmac.

    Sorry DD but if you say Tracy or KG ain't superstars so can you tell me who is?
     
  14. Clutch

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    Thank you -- you summed up your personal beef quite well.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Anyone see BJax make that cut from the PG spot at about 8:30 in the 4th quarter?

    BJax brings it down, passes it over the top to Tmac at the elbow, takes 2 steps to the left then back cuts to the basket for a layup.

    THAT is what I want Rafer to do more of.....heck the whole dang team should cut a bit more....

    I hope to see more of that going forward into next year...and yes...in Adelman's offense EVERYONE can be the cutter and finisher.....as I said earlier contrary to other people's thoughts.

    DD FTW !

    In today'g game?

    Hmmmm let's see....

    Kobe
    Nash
    Duncan ( on the decline too)
    Lebron

    That is it...IMHO......and even Lebron just squeaks in.......

    DD
     
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    Are you saying we can't take your post history and legitimately conclude that you like disparaging Rafer whenever possible? Or does that make me a hater? I really haven't seen you going into Battier threads and crapping all over him whenever he has a string of low-FG% games (and he does that too, maybe not as much as Alston but he does do it).

    His original point was to call out your numbers, which he did accurately and countered with stats, to which you said "oh, well I guess you're just trying to be a dick and I didn't really mean 2 weeks, i meant 6-7 games and actually I'm going to take out the best game. Thanks" - what kind of a response is this? How is it not cherrypicking to remove the best game? Statistics don't mean a damn if you pick and choose which data points to put in the machine.

    Somehow this is supposed to be a "personal beef"? Because he had a problem with you manipulating the stats to make Rafer look worse than he actually is? When combined with your past posting history, it makes it hard for people to think you're just being objective when you post about Rafer. If that means I have a personal beef, then so be it.

    That doesn't mean I think Rafer is a basketball genius and is the best PG in the world. I expect to see what we see out of him - a $4mil/year guy who comes and plays every night, plays decently hard on defense, knows the system, handles the ball well, and can periodically get hot but more often is cold.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    You guys should call in on Sunday morning and talk to Clutch, he is very reasonable...whereas...DD...not so much.

    :D

    DD
     
  18. pmac

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    I guess I could see where you're going with this...

    but Nash? I'm thinking you're not a big fan defense, he's a great player but I can't go with as a superstar (of your criteria) if he allows everyone and their mama to drop points on him.

    I'm thinking Chris Paul is better than Nash ever was, and he still has plenty room to grow.

    I don't get why everyone loves Nash so much, he makes tmac look alert on D. He isn't a different player from the one that was in Dallas he just went to a system that makes a good point guard look great. He's a great player, he just isn't close to Stockton, Magic, Big O, Zeke, or even GP (he affected the game so much on the other end that he makes up for not being as great as the others).
     
  19. pmac

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    You're right on this...

    except on Adleman's previous teams he always liked to use the guy who wasn't able to blow by his man to make the pass, or the guy who wasn't so atheletic, the guy who was a good passer, etc.

    The guys cutting to the basket where usually pretty atheletic guys who can finish around the basket. Who can do that our team, NO ONE. Okay maybe a few guys but normally almost everyone should be able to.

    I think rockets biggest problem is and has been for a few years, is that they aren't atheletic enough accross the board. If you're gonna have the slowest star in the league and match him with the slowest star SG then you need to have atheletic freaks around him. Instead we get Battier, Hayes, Alston, and all these other guys who are terrific defensive, rebounding, chemistry building glue guys but we have that. We need atheleticism and I think you have to trade Battier (i know it sucks) to get some extra atheleticism.
     
  20. bbinchina

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    what he needs is consistency, if he can play 16+6 every night. We'll be much stronger. however, now i only wish that he can shoot more in the playoffs. I do love the game he beat the Lakers~
     

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