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the Notorious Rafer

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by aussie rocket, Mar 23, 2008.

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  1. poprocks

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    Don't forget the hard V-Cuts...come to think of it, I haven't seen much in the way of hard V-cuts from our guys this year.
     
  2. BetterThanEver

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    Rafer is a floor general but not a pass first point guard. Yes, Kidd, Nash and Paul are all pass first point guards. None of those guys have been on a championship team yet. The teams that have won in today's NBA have PGS that aren't able to average 10-11 assists game. Guys like Tony Parker and Chauncey Billups, even Derek Fisher. It's not easy to get 10-11 assists in a low post slugfest. You need a PG that is a high % 3pt shooter or great penetration. Rafer's got the 3pt shot.
     
  3. SuperStar

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    Rafer is a defer first point guard. He brings the ball up the floor and defers to Tmac.
     
  4. heypartner

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    anyhow DD. We are going off topic, somewhat. I'd rather have a separate thread for talks of the offense. That would be a refreshing thread...but even that would probably degrade into a bash alston thread. sigh.

    I just don't think Alston "the floor general" is failiing to cut the way Adelman wants him to, and I don't think you're implying that. Others in this thread are, though. Adelman wouldn't give him the mpg he's getting if he wasn't doing those things correctly.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    HP, everyone cuts in Adelman's offense, that is what I am talking about, we are NOT running all of Adelman's offense, because some of our players do not make good cuts....Rafer for one is not a cutter...he does not play well off the ball in a movement or motion type of roll.

    But Bibby would make the exact same cuts as most everyone else on the floor made, he would cut from the top, from the corner, and from the wing....

    I really miss the backdoor cuts and plays, those are my favorite, I hope Adelman can get those in for next year.....


    DD
     
  6. heypartner

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    v-cuts are commonly used to get the ball back.
     
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    Thats true and thats why he doesn't get as many assists in a game. TMAC needs the ball , he isn't a Ray Allen. MAC doesn't like to run around the court trying to get open.
     
  8. SuperStar

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    Yeah he is similar to Derek Fisher. Derek doesn't really handle the ball often either. He just spots up for 3's mainly.
     
  9. BoomShakalaka

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    I would have to say Rafer is much more aggressive than Fisher and much more energetic, athletic, and quicker.
     
  10. heypartner

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    everyone in Sac's offense was a passer (except Peja). That's a different offense because they had so many passers. Everyone needs to be able to shoot and pass to do that offense. We don't have that type of team, thus we can't run that type of offense. Adelman knows that.

    Like you said. Everyone cuts. The poster I was talking to said Alston never cuts to the basket. That implies he doesn't execute Adelman's role for him correctly. I don't see Adelman complaining about that. In our current donut offense, a cut from Alston from out front to the hole largely requires a mistake by the defense or a huge overplay on TMac. It also means another cutter is likely available. A better option than Alston cutting.
     
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    [​IMG]

    I'm surprised no one has made a reference to this.....I thought it was at first glance....even though I'm not a big gangsta rap fan......
     
  12. poprocks

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    that pic is beggin to be photoshopped!
     
  13. pmac

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    I thought about it but said something on another thread about the state of houston rap and it got no response.

    But Notorious BIG is known as one of the best rappers of all time (i comletely disagree) so its hard to look at that and compare him to skip even though Notorious is in the title of the thread.

    What is Rafer the best at? The Professor and Hot Sauce may even have become bigger street ball legends.
     
  14. Clutch

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    My guess is the same cave where all the Rafer fans have been hanging out the past 2 weeks.
     
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    rafer's been huge since yao went down.

    period.
     
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    Lol perhaps.
     
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    They come together to celebate that Rafer's fg% has reached 40.00000000001%.

     
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    Clutch, what has happened over 2 weeks? They played some tough teams, tough schedule... and so our PG's assists are down a little over that stretch?

    Or terrible shooting for him in ATL, but career high against LAL on 10 of 22, including 8 of 11 from the arc? (Which would you have preferred for him to show up at? ;) )
     
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    Great posts in this thread, heyp.
     
  20. Clutch

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    Rafer's poor play wasn't just his "assists down a little" ... most of his assists are on jumpshots 18-feet out. When the team isn't hitting from outside, Rafer's assists are obviously going to be down.

    As mentioned, Rafer had shot the ball miserably in 6 of the previous 7 games, with the Lakers game being the sole exception. 32.2% from the field during that stretch. Take out the Lakers game and in the other 6 he shot 29% from the field and 25.6% from three.

    It would be one thing if the guy took 8 shots a game ... he doesn't. He is pushing 17 shots a night, and yet is drawing praise from the TV crew for averaging 15 points on those shots. I don't care how many points a night he gets -- I care about how efficient he is on his shots. You put tremendous pressure on your defense when Rafer shoots like that.
     

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