I do. But you know what, according to the Chinese Constitution, the country should be socialist too. Should I take everything I see at face value?
you know what?? what i am pissed off is not these dissents, but the biased western media trying to take advantage of it!!!! read this please http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/626e31e4-f9a0-11dc-9b7c-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1 The Chinese government, which has accused the foreign media of underplaying the violence of the rioters, said it would allow a group of foreign reporters to visit Lhasa later this week. Tibet has largely been closed off to the media since the protests began two weeks ago. A number of western news organsations in Beijing have been inundated with calls and faxes from Chinese angry at what they perceive to be bias in their coverage of the Tibet issue. CNN reporters and producers were forced to vacate their office in Beijing last Friday and operate from a nearby hotel after their phone and fax system was overwhelmed by the volume of calls, including many threats of violence. The CNN office number and address, in an old diplomatic compound in central Beijing, had been posted on internet bulletin boards, accompanied by calls to bombard the office with complaints. CNN reports about Tibet can be seen by very few Chinese, as foreign satellite channels are restricted to approved compounds and hotels. On sensitive issues like Tibet, the individual reports have often been blocked by Chinese censors as well. However, versions of the CNN and other overseas media stories have been posted on Chinese internet bulletin boards as proof of foreign media bias. CNN said in a statement that: ???Appropriate measures have been taken to secure the safety of our staff.???
Chinese Dismayed by Tales of Tibet Violence In Personal and Official Accounts, Majority Han Want Their Side Of the Story to Be Heard By GORDON FAIRCLOUGH March 25, 2008; Page A10 http://online.wsj.com/public/articl...zdxl47q7SA_20080423.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top
A week in Tibet Trashing the Beijing Road Mar 19th 2008 | LHASA From The Economist print edition http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10875823
These articles directly contradict the lies propounded by the Chinese government and many pro-Chinese posters here - that Tibetans are a happy little minority being lovingly tended to by their helpful older brother chinese who have liberated them from feudal slavery. Rather it paints the true picture, which is that of a frustrated, oppressed underclass and of widepsread discontent rather than "jsut as small group of thugs". Thank you for posting.
Really Sammy? I have my issues with yuantian. Many of his opinions are too extreme for my taste. But, he also happens to be dead on in this case. Let me guess, you are not racist towards the Chinese, you are just, shall we say, negatively predisposed towards the Chinese, right? Or should I coin another term? What's there to complain about, only a handful of ethnic Han shops were burnt? Goodbye, see you next week.
LOL what issues do you have with me? and i thought i am a moderate. if i said anything extreme, it's probably just angry reaction to discrimination posts.
Then what do you fear from negotiations? If you are already ruling them out as not accomplishing anything then you have nothing to lose by negotiating. The PRC on one hand says that the Dalai Lama is irrelevant yet they go out of their way to demonize him and paint him as being a mastermind behind everything bad that happens in Tibet. That tells me that they actually fear him. If that is the case then why not try to resolve that through negotiations? The attitude now only guarentees that the situation in Tibet gets more unstable and eventually rather than having someone who is on record as supporting non-violence and keeping Tibet in the PRC the PRC might be faced with several Tibetan leaders who will settle for nothing but outright independence and are willing to use violence to get it.
I don't doubt PRC fears Dalai Lama considering he has so much influence on the people there. I think the reason why China doesn't want to negotiate with him is because by negotiating with him, it would be legitimizing him as a leader. While he hasn't called for armed violence, the fact that he supports the separatist movement and the fact that the separatist movement looks up to him makes him very dangerous. By negotiating with him, it might open up a whole new can of worms.
Secret negotiations between the Chinese government and Dalai's people has never stopped, but it has led nowhere, because the two sides' positions are just too far apart. For some of Dalai's positions and why they are unacceptable to the PRC, I think you have already read them in one of my previous posts. The PRC's current strategies is just waiting for Dalai to die. Just like you say, It will lead to the splintering and radicalization of the Tibetan movement, which we are in fact already seeing. But the PRC is not afraid of a little violence. They already face a radical and violent separatist movement in Xinjiang (East Turkestan), and they are in fact having a great deal of more success dealing with those people than with Tibet. The "East Turkestan Islamic Movement" is now an UN-listed international terrorist organization. That's probably where the Tibetan movement is headed also, or at least its more radical elements like the Tibetan Youth Congress.
source [rquoter] Protesting Monks Embarrass China During Press Tour By DAVID BARBOZA Published: March 28, 2008 SHANGHAI — Tibetan monks shouting pro-independence slogans caught Chinese officials by surprise Thursday during a highly scripted tour for Western journalists in Lhasa’s central Buddhist temple, disrupting China’s effort to portray the recent Tibetan rioting as the work of violent criminal thugs and separatists. “Tibet is not free! Tibet is not free!” yelled one young Buddhist monk, who then started crying, according to an Associated Press correspondent in the tour. Government handlers shouted for the journalists to leave and tried to pull them away during the 15-minute protest by about 30 monks at the Jokhang Monastery in central Lhasa. It was unclear whether the protesting monks were arrested. The demonstration amounted to another embarrassment for China, which organized the press tour to help sway international opinion, which has focused on China’s heavy crackdown and arrests in the aftermath of the riots and led to talk of a boycott of the Summer Olympic Games in Beijing. The Chinese wanted the reporters to see damage caused by the rioters and interview Chinese victims of the violence, the worst here in 20 years. Reporters on the tour said the monks shouted that there was no religious freedom in Tibet and that the Dalai Lama, Tibet’s spiritual leader in exile, had been wrongly accused by China of responsibility for the rioting. China’s official news agency, Xinhua, mentioned the unscripted protest in a brief dispatch, saying 12 monks “stormed into a briefing by a temple administrator to cause chaos.” Some American news organizations were invited to send representatives on the press tour. The New York Times was not. On Wednesday, the reporters on the tour received a detailed schedule for the trip and shown a video about the riots, said the reporter present in the group who did not want to be identified. Before the protest by the monks, the foreign reporters had already been shown a Tibet medical clinic near to the temple that had apparently been attacked, and shown a clothing store that had been burned, according to the A.P. The monks involved in the protest first spoke Tibetan and then switched to Mandarin so the reporters could understand them, the A.P. reported. They had rushed over to stop the reporters from being taken into an inner part of the temple, saying they were upset that a government administrator was telling the reporters that Tibet had been part of China for centuries, the A.P. said. The monks said troops who had been guarding the temple since March 14 were removed the night before the reporters’ visit, the news agency said. In contrast to the controls on foreign journalists, about 20 journalists from China’s state-controlled media have been allowed into Tibet and other largely Tibetan areas. The Chinese media have been driving home Beijing’s message: that Tibetan separatists acted as terrorists during the violence, while the government responded with restraint in quelling the riots, and that innocent Chinese were the victims of looting, burning and assault. China said Wednesday that 660 people implicated in the Tibetan protests and riots had surrendered to the authorities. The announcement was part of the government’s effort to quell continuing unrest in the area, which includes Tibet and adjoining provinces with large Tibetan populations. It was unclear from the announcement how many of the 660 had surrendered voluntarily and how many would be formally charged with criminal offenses. Nor was it clear whether all were ethnic Tibetans. Tibet and neighboring provinces with large Tibetan populations are now under tight military control, with roadblocks and house-to-house searches for suspects. But there have been daily reports of protests and sporadic violence in some regions, people in those areas say. This week, the Chinese government issued a “most wanted” list with the names of 53 people who it says took part in antigovernment protests, according to the official Xinhua news agency. The Dalai Lama, who fled Tibet in 1959 and settled in India, has insisted in recent weeks that he had no role in the violent protests and that he does not favor independence for Tibet. He has also said he opposes an Olympics boycott, and he recently offered to resign if Tibetans in western China continued to engage in violence. Shortly after the March 14 riot, the government began forcing foreign journalists out of Lhasa. Government blockades have also prevented foreign journalists from reaching Tibetan areas in neighboring provinces. Inside China, the state-owned media are publishing and broadcasting images of Tibetans burning and looting Chinese shops in Tibet and attacking ethnic Han Chinese. The images and reports have helped inflame anger at Tibetans among the Chinese. [/rquoter]
I'm not sure if this has been posted yet but I read this this weekend while traveling and found that it crystallized the situation, doubtless it will be shouted down by those echoing views of the bolded section"
http://news.tvb.com/630pm/lcd56.html?2008/0327/asx/01_56k.asx&2008%u5E743%u670827%u65E5 (%u56DB) Listen to the sad tone of the shop owner at 3:08, who lost his relative and employees in the riot.
I don't remember if this has been posted before, but it's interesting to hear from a former insider of the Free Tibet movement. It looks like Dalai is caught between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand he doesn't dare criticising his hard-line followers. I love the analogy "the tail that wags the dog". On the other hand, if he is incapable of reining in his hard-line followers, then he has no basis to negotiate with the Chinese with.
Well, this may not be true for the other people, but your own credentials as an anti-Chinese racist and bigot has been pretty well established.
