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Mobley Thinks He's Dumars When He Really Is the Microwave

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Manny Ramirez, Feb 1, 2002.

  1. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    The title refers to the fact that I think Mobley is more like a Vinnie Johnson aka the Microwave than what he thinks he is in Joe Dumars (he probably thinks he's better than him).

    Okay, some of you might think that this is a Mobley bashing thread, but watching the game tonight made me realize more than ever the truly stupid decisions he makes.

    Twice he made shots with his foot on the line. WTF?? That is the absolute worst shot that you can take in basketball. The reason is that all you have to do is back up 1 to 2 inches and you have 3 points instead of 2. He has got to have better awareness than that. And of course there wouldn't be a Rocket game without him barrelling into some C or PF and throwing up some ugly shot when he could have dished the ball.

    I get upset when the Rockets lose, but I have found myself cussing Mobley and Moochie more than anyone else on this team.

    Then I got to thinking....why does Mobley do these things?

    Then it hit me like a ton of bricks....he thinks he's 3 times better than he really is. Don't get me wrong....the guy is an outstanding player, but would he really be a "go-to guy" on a championship caliber team? I'm thinking no because he doesn't pass the ball enough.

    There are only a select few who play his position that can get away with shooting as much as Mobley and the only ones that I can immediately think of are Iverson and Kobe. Granted, I admire Mobley for his confidence and his believing in himself, but he is just not the type of player that I can see being a team player on a championship team. If that pisses some of you off, then I'm sorry, but that is what I feel.

    I think that Rudy T and Francis have pumped his ego up too much. They have wound up creating a monster.

    The best thing that the Rockets can do is get a pure PG and let Francis play the 2 spot and bring Mobley off the bench and let him play 25 to 35 minutes a game. However, I'm afraid there's no turning back and that this scenario will never happen.

    I guess our only hope will be that Mobley learns what good shot selection is and quits taking ill-advised shots. 1 to 3 is not bad, 4 is tolerable, but more than that is unacceptable.

    I just wished that he used his head better out there sometimes.
     
  2. pooh222

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    Ah, you know Mobley is the superstar of the leauge...at least in his own mind.

    Mobley definitly thinks he's better than he is. I've been saying we're never going anywhere with him being a cornerstone. He has a monster ego that doesn't fit his game.
     
  3. ZRB

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    That was one of your best posts ever. You hit the nail on the head. Mobley thinks he is better than he really is because Rudy constantly builds up his ridiculously large ego. Unfortunately, it is doubtful that he will ever change. Most coaches have some form of punishment for players when they make consistent mistakes, like benching them. Rudy's philosophy seems to be to let players figure things out for themselves. That may work with some players, but not with Cuttino.
     
  4. Ottomaton

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    Actualy, I remember Mobley comparing himself to Andrew Toney. I actualy think it's pretty accurate, but for the fact that Mobley doesn't have Dr.J, Moses, Bobby Jones, and Mo Cheeks to prop him up.
     
  5. kidrock8

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    Amen Manny.

    A few days ago I said that Mobley is a below average STARTING SG because of his lack of all-around game, as well as his poor decision making. Thus, not making him anywhere near Dumars' league.

    Then I went on to say he's a good backup SG, which would put him around the "Microwave". I might go as far as saying that Mobley is better than Vinny.

    Point is, that the Rockets will not win if Mobley is our #2 option.
     
  6. Relativist

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    I'm afraid I disagree with the majority opinion in this thread and don't think that was one of your better posts, Manny.

    I don't have issues with the sentiment you expressed as much as how you went about it.

    Mobley makes stupid decisions? Sure. But the only example you bring up in your entire post is that he had his foot on the line. I utterly fail to see how this makes Cuttino an extraordinarily incompetent player. Guys have their foot on the line all the time. That's like railing at him for shooting 13-15 from the free throw line. 'You have to make free throws. Cuttino should've gotten those two free throws.' Seems like an awfully trivial and nitpicky thing to get on his case for.
     
  7. Rocketability

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    Dammit, he made both shots :mad: ... if it's not Mobley-bashing, I dunno what is ... :rolleyes:
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    No kidding. Kenny Smith once said something to the effect that coaches hate it when you make a two pointer with your foot on the line, but if you put points on the board it's not a bad shot. So your assertion that that is the worst shot there is in the game, isn't really correct.

    After all the complaining people do about Mobely hogging the ball driving into traffic when the game's on the line and taking a horrible shot, I thought someone would have mentioned the change last night.

    With one minute left Mobely drove into the lane, and was swarmed, but rather than put up the ill-advised shot everyone always accuse him of doing, he passed out to the wing where Griffin was wide open. Griffin missed the shot, but Mobely did what people have been asking him to improve on, and not one of you complainers mentioned it.(If I missed a post where someone did mention it then I apologize.)

    I often here people saying to trade players who don't want to play here or who have bad attitudes. Sometimes I wish we could trade fans with bad attitudes also.

    I don't mean that all criticism is bad, just that people are getting so negative and nit picky, and unbalenced in their attacks. They don't even give credit when players change the things they've been complaining about(Mobley's passing at the end of the game last night.)
     
  9. Manny Ramirez

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    Relativist/Rocketability,etc.:

    I understand if you want to disagree with me. I knew when I posted this that there would be some that would disagree.

    Yea, I harped on him being on the line twice but I also mentioned that wild shot in which he barrelled into Bradley or Nowitizki (can't remember) and threw up an ugly shot.

    But you have to look at it from the big picture, not just this game. Mobley has proven that he does dumb things every game, he just doesn't have any basketball sense. He has all the tools, physically, but I'm afraid nothing between his ears.

    Look, I'm one of the last people you'll hear from in negative posts, as a matter of fact, I have chided ZRB, kidrock, etc. for their negative posts in this forum. However, everyone has their limits and I have reached mine with Mobley.

    If I saw changes in Mobley's game, I'll be the first to recant, but right now I don't see it. I said it earlier and I'll say it again: Mobley would be extremely lucky to be the #2 scoring option on a championship-caliber team. The reason being his lack of basketball sense.
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    Then please look back at the end of the game. Mobely passed to a wide open EG, with the game on the line. He passed out several other times too, but considering all the EG was wide open AGAIN!!! threads I've seen, I thought one of the complainers might have noticed that not only did EG get the ball, he recieved the pass from Mobely.

    People might not of noticed because the team still lost, but if people complain even after they win, it seems they could pay attention to the things that improve when the Rockets lose also.

    I think this 'passing' thing might be new to them, and it might take them a while to get it right, but at least last night they tried to pass more. If they keep doing it, they'll get better at it.
     
  11. leebigez

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    Mobley is good, but he isn't nearly as good as he think or his coach thinks he is. Mobley is probably the 4th best 2 guard in the but we know all the 2's are in the east. Rudy keeps saying that he is a top player but i don't see how. He can get better with shot selection and judgement. He's fearless which is good and bad because its not a play he doesn't think he can make. On a good team, he would be a very good 3rd option. I don't think we can trade him until Steve is signed anyway so for now we'll have to live with the streak he had the last couple of games and also the ones where he was like Mad Max.
     
  12. Manny Ramirez

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    I had a bad feeling that this thread wouldn't last. I think it is because ZRB, kidrock, and leebigez agreed with me.:(

    ;)

    :D
     
  13. The Cat

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    I started to read this thread, but stopped after reading claims that posters here "know" what a player thinks of himself. You know, players do have individual weaknesses that aren't tied to ego.
     
  14. Sane

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    We're not going for a #2 scoring option. We're going for a team that has 3 20-pt scorers, and hopefully at some point, 2 defensive juggernauts at the other 2 positions.


    I do honestly think that at some point next season, we'll start using Griffin as often as Mobley, Mobley will become more vocal and add a tiny bit of defense, and Francis will increase his assist numbers.


    There are no more franchise players in the NBA. You need 2 of them, or you need three that are barely not as good. In our case, we have 2 All-Star, and a Sg that will hopefully improve with experience.



    But, I do think that Mobley should be averaging more than 2.9 assists (?) for us. Second option on the team, gets lots of double teams. I don't think 3.5 assists would be asking too much.
     
  15. jiggadi

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    I hope he continues to shoot the ball everytime he touches it. He is a proven scorer in this league and shooters have to get into a rythm and that means shooting the ball. Cat has been on the team longer than anyone. He does get crazy at times and drive to the lane and there are several defenders around him. Thats becuase they are all trying to stop him becuase they know how lethal the guy is. He would never command that much respect if he was known for his passing.
     
  16. 3Rings

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    Mobley thinks he's Dumars when he really is:
    1)Vinnie Johnson
    2)Chuck Person
    3)Reggie Theus
    4)a poor Vernon Maxwell

    Through our Rocket colored glasses, we have anointed this guy a superstar when he's a ball hogging, selfish, dumb player.
     
  17. WoodlandsBoy

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    Don't forget that Mobley gets paid below market value for this franchise. He took less money to stay here. He is the reason Francis looks so good. Mobley gets guarded by the best defensive player and Mobley always guards the best offensive player. He is playing out of position 20 min of each game. He guards people like Dirk Nowoztski, Al Harrington, and Reef for god sakes. He plays hurt. He takes the tough shots.

    You guys suck. :mad: :mad:
     
  18. francis 4 prez

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    Any talk about foot-on-the-line two's starts and ends with Mario Elie. That dude was the world's greatest at that feat. Now does everyone think Mario was an idiot.
     
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    Manny thinks he is Will when he really is ZRB. :D
     
  20. whatever54

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    It is not as much as making wise decisions, but it is about playing the game with instinct. Cuttino shoots sometimes at the line because that is where he is comfortable. I guarantee you that another 2 inches and his shot would be ruined. Everything is learned with experience and not in theory. Wait some more time and he will produce.
     

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