Marc Jackson to be a Sun?

Just getting something in return for Jackson. They get a mid first round pick for not letting him go as a free agent to Houston this past fall.


Mango

 

a pick and John Wallace..he's definetely not worth a pick and John Wallace.

 

GS probably has a payroll budget and Jackson might be putting them slightly above it. An expiring contract will let them drop overall salary a bit.



Mango

 

An expiring contract gives them room to re-sign Hughes and still stay safely under the luxury tax. There's even the possibility of significant cap room in 2004.

He had one great month, and one good month. On a contending team, he's a backup C/PF. A .500 team could get away with him as a starter if their other big man is an awesome defender/shot-blocker (say, Ben Wallace in DET or Jermaine O'Neal in IND).

 

On a team with a record about the same as Houston's but without the horrendous injury bug, he is a third string C/PF.

 

Only because he doesn't want to be there, which in turn is only because he won't accept being a second-string C/PF.

And the main reason he has no chance of being the starting C/PF is because they don't have a defensive PF (or fast enough C) to cover for his shortcomings.

 

Well, that's certainly the spin the Suns would like you to buy, since they're the ones who are trying to play hardball here.

I mean, step back and look at the situation. It's three weeks before the trade deadline. Phoenix and GS are talking about a deal, but haven't come to an agreement yet.

This sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME in the NBA.

But then the Phoenix GM meets with reporters to take the negotiations public. How often does this happen???

And then Jackson, having been cued by Colangelo, stages a tantrum that (he hopes) may lower his value for other teams, thereby backing Saint into a corner where he has to accept the Phoenix offer.

As someone once said, NBA stands for "Nothing But Actors."

 

Swopa:

At first, I didn't really mind that the Warris signed Jackson. Just smart business.

But I really don't like it that they signed him, and aren't playing him. The very idea of signing players to trade them later really bothers me (with the exception of sign-and-trades... in which the signing is simply a formality).

Was Jackson really that much of a malcontent? Or do the Warriors just not want to play someone who isnt' a piece of the long-term puzzle?

 

Mostly the latter. The other part of it is that if the Warriors don't have either Dampier or Foyle in the game, they have virtually no D whatsoever.

If GS had a shot-blocker at PF (say, a Camby/J. O'Neal/Griffin type) or better perimeter defenders, it'd be easier for them to play Jackson.

 

Jackson is really pissed. According to this report, he could be facing a team-imposed suspension for his obscenity laced outburst. I wonder how pissed he'll be if that happens? What happened to St Jean's comments about developing chemistry & not keeping anyone that didn't want to be on the team? I can't blame Jackson for being pissed. After all, GS hasn't handled this matter very well from the beginning. The longer they drag this out, the more it's going to hurt their image with future FA's & possibly reduce the value that they can get for Jackson.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/02/02/SP214913.DTL

Jackson sounds off on Warriors
Frustration boils over as team rejects Suns' offer

Nancy Gay, Chronicle Staff Writer Saturday, February 2, 2002

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Phoenix -- The Warriors yesterday turned down an offer by Phoenix to acquire Marc Jackson, and it was hard to tell who was more frustrated by the collapse of yet another trade -- the Suns, or the disenfranchised player at the center of it all.

Jackson, at least, was more direct about it.

"This is a stupid-ass organization and they're a bunch of f -- a --," said a livid Jackson, who learned after the Warriors' 104-98 loss to the Suns that general manager Garry St. Jean won't send him to Phoenix. At least not yet.

Asked whether he might still be around until Oct. 19, the last day he can veto a trade, Jackson snapped, "Maybe longer, the way this organization is run.

But they'll probably f -- that up, too."

Then, in an obvious reference to St. Jean, Jackson said, "f -- d --."

Afterward, a Warriors spokesman asked for a copy of The Chronicle's tape recording of Jackson's comments.

Jackson's profanity-laced outburst likely will bring about a team-imposed suspension, a technicality considering the power forward/center hasn't played a minute in the Warriors' past nine games.

The Suns expressed a much milder form of disappointment. They reportedly offered the Warriors fifth-year reserve forward John Wallace, a lottery- protected first-round draft choice and possibly another bench player.

"We feel like we've done everything to answer their needs," said Brian Colangelo, the Suns' president and general manager. "I was told by Garry St. Jean that they were not interested in the deal we had on the table."

Jackson, who maintains veto power over any trades until Oct. 19, added the Suns to his list of teams he'd consider because he knows they're looking for a big man who can score.

"They just need one little piece to get them over that hump, and I think I'm that piece," Jackson said.

St. Jean was not in Phoenix and was unavailable for comment.

The Warriors want plenty for Jackson -- a first-round pick and a scorer, preferably in the final year of his contract. But most likely any hope of a deal with Memphis -- one the teams on Jackson's list -- faded Thursday when the Grizzlies' $4.5 million injured player exception expired.

Clearly, the Warriors would prefer to wait a while longer, hoping to entice Jackson to expand his list beyond Orlando, Indiana, Memphis and Phoenix, and perhaps increasing the possibility of a three-way deal involving Denver's Raef LaFrentz, a restricted free agent this summer whom the Nuggets might be looking to move.

With the Grizzlies seemingly out of the picture and the veto of the Suns' offer, it's possible the Warriors might hang on to Jackson through October, when they will have the freedom to deal him anywhere.

"I don't see why not," Colangelo said of that possibility. "If there's interest now, there should be interest then."

Jackson just wants to go.

"Is it killing me? What do you think?" Jackson said. "You gotta agree with what (former NBA star) Larry Johnson said, that players are nothing but a piece of meat."

Colangelo wouldn't rule out another try by the Suns before the Feb. 21 trade deadline.

"I have quite a bit of knowledge about the whole scene and I don't think (the Warriors) have a lot of alternatives at this point," he said.

 

So he stays a Warrior until October if this trade falls through. I hope he stays motivated to stay in shape for his sake so he can contribute to his new team.

Rockets are in a similar boat with Walt/Langhi/Collier, except NOBODY wants those guys.

 

Marc screwed them like they screwed him
Im glad he vetoed the trade Serves the warriors organization right. Why the hell did they keep him if they were not gonna play him. GO MARC!

 

OAKLAND, Calif. (Feb. 2) -- Instead of trading Marc Jackson, the Golden State Warriors have suspended him.

Jackson was suspended two games without pay Saturday for what Warriors general manager Garry St. Jean termed as conduct detrimental to the team.

The punishment comes after Jackson said team management was acting like "spoiled children" for turning down a trade proposal that would have sent Jackson to the Phoenix Suns.

"We regret that we are forced to take this action, but quite simply, such conduct cannot be overlooked or tolerated," St. Jean said in a statement.

Jackson, a second-year player with rare veto power over any trade until next December, gave the Warriors a short list of three teams -- Orlando, Indiana and Memphis -- he would like to play for. He recently added Phoenix to the list.

The Suns reportedly offered forward John Wallace, another unidentified player and a first-round pick. There was disagreement over the protection value of the pick and the deal fell through.

"We understand Marc's frustrations, but also know that our primary responsibility is to do what is in the best interest of the Golden State Warriors," St. Jean said.

The suspension costs Jackson over $79,000. He is being paid $3.25 million in the first year of a six-year, $24.375 million contract and is averaging 4.7 points and 2.4 rebounds in 18 games.

After an abbreviated but productive first season during which he won two rookie of the month awards, Jackson became a restricted free agent. The Warriors re-signed him, matching an offer sheet from the Houston Rockets.

St. Jean fully intended to trade Jackson but has found it more difficult than he thought, considering the 6-foot-10 center averaged 13.2 points and 7.5 rebounds in 48 games last season.

Jackson, 27, was buried on Golden State's bench last season when starting center Erick Dampier suffered an injury in December. Adonal Foyle was ineffective and Jackson made the most of his chance, earning all-rookie first team honors.

Golden State selected Jackson with the 38th overall pick in the 1997 NBA Draft, but he spent three seasons in Turkey and Spain.

 

I find this quote from rotoworld.com pretty damn funny.

Jackson used some not-so-nice words when describing the Warriors front office after the potential trade with Phoenix was killed last night. While Jackson's suspension is deserved, shouldn't the Warriors also face some sort of penalty for conduct detrimental to the player?

 

I think the Warrior's front office should have been suspended long ago for conduct detrimental to the team. Man, I can't think of many other teams that have screwed up personel changes as much as the Warriors have in the last decade.