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[ESPN.com] Call Tracy McGrady amazing, but don't call him MVP

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by codell, Mar 17, 2008.

  1. codell

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    Awesome article for the right reasons:

    http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-31-55/Call-Tracy-McGrady-Amazing--But-Don-t-Call-Him-MVP.html

    March 17, 2008 3:20 PM

    Over the weekend, the Houston Chronicle's Richard Justice wrote:

    They are a team in every sense of the word, a really good team, a smart, resourceful and gritty team. Don't lose sight of the bottom line with these Rockets.

    There's one other thing to know about them. They've got the NBA's Most Valuable Player.

    Care to argue? Don't. You don't have the facts on your side. Tracy McGrady defines greatness almost any way you want to define it.

    Remember back to when you were in high school, and you had a crush on someone. And that someone was in the school play.

    This person was, you were convinced, perfect in every way. So good looking! So funny! So clever! So kind! So fragrant!Tracy McGrady

    But then you see the person sing, and lots of people think: hmm, not so great at the singing.

    But not you. You know this person best of all. You know that's amazing singing that the stupid world is not clever enough, or deep enough, or whatever, to appreciate.

    This feels like that to me. Tracy McGrady is doing absolutely everything he needs to do as a player. His team has been, essentially, perfect, for more than a quarter of an NBA season. Give him whatever you want.

    But do not give him the MVP award.

    Again, no one really knows what the criteria are for being the MVP, and I know it has long seemed to be "the most famous player on the best team."

    That math probably gets you to Kevin Garnett, or, if you squint, perhaps McGrady -- With Yao Ming injured, Tracy McGrady is probably the most famous Rocket left standing. And the Rockets are for the moment atop one of the most hotly contested conferences in recent memory.

    And if the team is setting win records with an injured center watching from the bench, the thinking goes, doesn't that mean there must be a true hero out there on the floor?

    You can assert McGrady deserves the award if you want, but before you do, I urge you to at least try on some objective measures to confirm the notion that McGrady really can, you know, sing.

    The problem is, it's hard to find any comprehensive measure by which McGrady is even the best player on his team.

    * John Hollinger's PER -- essentially box score statistics, weighted intelligently in a way that has been shown to make more useful -- shows McGrady to be the 32nd best NBA player at the moment, just a hair behind Corey Maggette and T.J. Ford. Tracy McGrady's the third most effective Rocket, per PER, behind Carl Landry and Yao Ming. (The list, by the way is headed, in order, by LeBron James, Chris Paul, and Amare Stoudemire. Kobe Bryant is ninth.)
    * The adjusted plus/minus numbers at basketballvalue.com place Luis Scola, Chuck Hayes, and Carl Landry among the league's best players, with no mention of Tracy McGrady among the top 50 players.
    * According to another set of numbers, the Win Shares formula, McGrady ranks behind Yao Ming and Shane Battier in total contributions to the Rockets this season, and is tied for sixth with Luther Head in terms of Win Shares Above Average.

    These kinds of statistical rankings systems are no way to pick an MVP. But as an objective way to kick the tires on this or that that name, time will prove them vastly more reliable than the ol' glance-at-the-list-of-leading-scorers-and-the-standing-and-apply-conventional-wisdom approach.

    And it is interesting that so many of those systems think so highly of McGrady's teammates -- which also goes a long way to telling the story of this win streak. It's a story of almost everyone who sees the floor contributing in some fashion.

    Jason Friedman of the Houston Press has been watching all season long, and thinks that saying McGrady is the MVP miscontrues what's working for the Rockets:

    Take nothing away from T-Mac. He's been spectacular for the better part of two months. But two months does not an MVP make; not when other candidates like LeBron James and Chris Paul have been consistently sublime all season.

    Besides, championing McGrady for the league's highest individual honor due to his play during the streak misses the entire point: This Rockets run is and always has been about team. It's about the hustle of Shane Battier and Chuck Hayes. It's about Luis Scola's refusal to be denied. It's about Mike Harris grabbing 5 boards (4 offensive) and scoring 6 points off the bench in the pivotal second quarter. It's about Bobby Jackson giving Houston the best three-point dagger pose it's seen since Mario Elie. And more than anything, it's about the otherworldly team defense the Rockets are using to suffocate opponents into submission.

    Yes, T-Mac is Houston's best player. But it's the way he and his teammates have gelled which has transformed this group into one capable of performing miracles.

    What's happening in Houston is a magnificent story, and one that comes with all kinds of rewards.

    Much more valuable than contending for this or that individual prize, from a fickle voting audience, are actual wins. Tracy McGrady and his teammates have conspired to play in such a manner that the Rockets organization can dream well beyond the first round -- and some people are even talking about contending. That's the objective of the team sport of basketball, and that's also how you win championships. Over years, wins like Houston is earning now come with things like championships, celebrity, playoff bonuses, and even hardware.

    So, give that special someone in the school play a standing ovation. Come back again and watch night after night. Scream your brains out in support. I'm right there with you. But when you turn to me and say that's the best singer you have ever seen? That's when I smile politely, nod, and say: "really?"
     
  2. codell

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    BTW ..i Know some excerpts (from Justice and Houston Press) have already been posted in other threads, so I apologize to the mods if this is considered a duplicate thread.
     
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    the format of the post makes this difficult to read.

    but very good commentary. mcgrady is houston's best player still standing, but not deserving of the MVP award.

    i'd love to see that happen, but even i wouldn't be able to look in the mirror if i voted for tmac over a few others, namely kobe, lebron, chris paul (in that order).
     
  4. Lil Pun

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    He makes a good argument. But based on the same reasoning Durant should not be given the ROY. I did no see that reasoning in 1995 wen they gave the award to Robinson over The dream, or in 1993 to Barkley over The Dream. Lets face it NBA awards are based on popularity and shoe contracts and not objective stats. I want to see that objective reasoning all around, until then I will scream MVP everytime mCGrady touches the ball and will have no problems doing that.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Honestly, I don't think TMac is an MVP this year.

    DD
     
  7. Mack

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    I think McGrady's numbers during the streak aren't anything special for him. He's been putting them up for years. But, it would have been unheard of in previous seasons for McGrady to put up 11 points or 15 points and still come away with a double digit win.

    I can't remember seeing a group of guys (Battier, Hayes, Landry, Scola, Mutombo) display the passion and intensity these guys show on EVERY single play. They NEVER give up, and I can see it inspiring McGrady, too.

    I just wish these guys would work on their free throw shooting. I'm afraid it's going to hurt us in the playoffs.
     
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    T-mac is not the MVP this year. I think he's doing a great job and his maturity is showing and I'm glad as hell that we have him, but there're other players more responsible for thier team's winning.

    I'd have to give the nod to KG. The Cs went from the cellar to the best record in the league. And there's no way it's cuz Ray Allen came to Boston. The main difference has been their defense and that's where Garnett comes in (not to mention his offense too).

    Best player in the league? Lebron.
     
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    Well duh. The point of the article was to show that the team is playing so well, and being led by Tmac only helps. Of course he won't win the MVP because he was injured for 15 games and was inconsistent (although he was on pace to winning it prior to that elbow injury earlier in the year)
    And the fact that the stupid sports writers of America always bring up Tmac's playoff history against him on basically everything he does, even when he does deserve some respect.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    I could care less about MVP...let's shock the world and win the whole darned thing.

    DD
     
  11. t_mac1

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    boston did fine without KG. they beat the spurs once too.

    u do know pierce and allen are all-stars right? KG has more impact on the defensive end though, but he's not the main reason. pierce is actually their go-to guy.

    my MVP list:
    1) paul
    2) kobe
    3) bron
    4) tmac
    5) kg
     
  12. happyricky

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    I can bet for $100 that TMac wants the 2nd Round of Playoffs way more than any individual prize.
     
  13. Mack

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    Don't forget Boston also has Thom Thibodeaux teaching the defense. I'm sure he's made a big impact to go along with the new player additions.
     
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    exactly. he doesn't even call himself an all-star anymore so really, you think he cares about winning an MVP? you think he wants to be like dirk: win an MVP and gets bounced out of the first round?

    2nd round > MVP for tmac
     
  15. rocketsregle

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    That's a good article.

    Just wish people at the game would quit chanting it because it seems like he misses his free-throws every time he hears it.
     
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    Great article but it's still too early to tell. Wait until the season ends, if Rockets are still no.1, chances are TMac will get the MVP. The reasons

    1). The Rockets are top seed
    2). The Rockets are creating history with 20++ streak
    3). The Rockets are playing without their top player/center, Yao
    4). The Rockets are among the top defensive team and has a streak of 10 double digit wins.

    But in the end, as a lot ppl would agree, the main aim is still to get deep into
    the playoffs (2nd round or more). MVP award is just a complementary one.
     
  17. Shaud

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    Mac is my boy but he won't get it because he didn't play like this for the whole season. There has been plenty of games where he just wasn't himself.
     
  18. peleincubus

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    hard to be in that +/- when your playing 48 min a game ;)
     
  19. Lumix

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    Why not both?

     
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    it is just amazing how unappreciated tmac is by rox fans. if the argument about tmac holds, it also holds for kobe. you never would see a laker fan say kobe is not mvp.
    it is true that everyone contributed to the winning streak. but don't take it for granted for what tmac did. tmac is the one who draws the double team, and he is the one for clutch plays. take this into account when calculating those numbers.
     

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