I think not. I think the Rockets would have played just about the same these past few games, with KT. All the more reason to trade him for a late 1st rounder, if possible.
Your telling me we haven't missed him? So what your saying is Kenyon Martin is all of a sudden an offensive machine? **** yes we have missed him!! We had absolutely nobody to go down low too. Why would we want to trade him for a late first rounder in a weak draft? What could we possibly accomplish by getting younger? I mean its one thing if we were Portland of a couple of years ago where all 15 players on their roster were 4's, but your suggesting to trade the ONLY PF we have on the roster right now thats not in street clothes.
That late 1st round will contribute about as much as KT will next year, as a 3rd sting PF. Also, KT is NOT a defensive stopper. Quit trying to tell yourself he would have shutdown Kenyon. Fact is that many no-name PF's kill us because they get to post up on a midget. Get off KT's nuts and get some reality. The Rockets would be lucky as hell to get a late 1st round pick for a 3rd string PF.
Yeah my bad thats what KT is a 3rd string PF. My mistake..... Please I know for a FACT Kenny Thomas would sure as hell have shutdown KENYON ****ING MARTIN who was the #1 pick last year and a STARTING PF no less. Martin has no, I repeat NO offensive game. He is Cato offensively, either Kidd gives him an alley-oop or a point blank pass by the hoop. Thats the extent of his game.... I guess we can expect that late first round pick to get us at least 14ppg 7rpg and shoot .475%? Dude the #1 pick of last year is putting up 15.3ppg and only 5.1 rpg. So how the hell do you figure that a Late 1st round pick is going to put up those numbers, let alone make the team? KT in no way is a defensive stopper but he is no chump. So you say a lot of no-name PF's have burnt us this year??? Where's the proof??? The only PF's that have hurt us were allready established superstars. Can we really expect Kenny Thomas to guard Tim Duncan? Hell no, Tim Duncan is one of the best players in the league and for Kenny to be on Tim is a testament to our lack of frontcourt depth. I don't think you will find anyone on this forum that will say Kenny Thomas should be our future starting power forward because thats just stupid, BUT what YOU are suggesting is even stupider. Do you even watch basketball or do you just watch highlights and read box scores???
Are you saying Kid that KT could not start for the Knicks? Or Bucks? or LAL? or Orlando? Charlotte? Oh my god, there are so many!
It is not unusual for KT to put up 20/10 games. In fact, nearly 1/3 of his games have been such performances. Nets (1/19) - 21/10 Raptors (1/16) - 20/8 76ers (1/15) - 20/8 Warriors (12/28) - 20/13 Heat (12/15) - 26/11 Knicks (12/3) - 20/7 Spurs (12/1) - 21/8 Kings (11/27) - 18/19 Nugz (11/9) - 25/5 Suns (11/4) - 16/8 Out of 35 games played, he's AVG 14/8. Of those 35 games, this list represents solid performances. I think a lot of teams would desire a PF to be this consistant...assuming they don't have a superstar already at that position. To name a few teams that don't have a true forward (not a hybrid center or guard) that is clearly outperforming KT. Wiz Charlott Denver Knicks Raptors Miami Pacers Bulls Cavs Pistons I'll agree that I wish KT was taller or bigger at times but the fact is that he tries hard. I'll take that everytime over a bigger/taller guy with less effort. Quit bashing KT. He's earning his pay.
KT's defense aside, he's the only offensive threat we have up front with most of EG's points coming from the outside. KT works hard as hell on the floor and during the off season. He may be undersized, and that's a legitimate concern. Before you call him a 3rd string PF, remember he wasn't supposed to be our 1st string. He got the job because of injuries and has worked hard to fill the role fairly well. So if you want to know on which team he'd be a starter, I want to know on what team he'd be 3RD STRING?
KT's stats so far: MPG – 33.5 FG% - .475 REB – 6.7 (2.1 OFF) APG – 1.8 SPG – 1.31 BPG - .77 TO – 2.29 PPG – 13.8 He's a 14/7 player. As krosfya pointed out, though, it is not uncommon for Kenny to post a double-double. I'd kill to have a 3rd string PF who could do that. we'd better get a hell of a lot more than a late first rounder for him
Kt's the only person that could have bodied up Martin as well as stayed with him laterally. Griffin just wasn't strong enough to contend with Martin. That's how KT could have played better defense.
Kidrock, did you not watch the game against the Nets last Saturday? The one where Kenny was absolutely dominating on the offensive end. This guy is much more than a third string PF. He may not be a starter, but he's one hell of a backup. He is really the only inside presence we have...all Cato does is catch alley-oops from Steve. The Rockets need this guy to win, whether starting or not. I certainly hope he is kept on this team for a while. You cannot expect a 6'8 guy to shut everything down on defense, especially with the talent level at that position.
It seems to me kidrock's main point was this: Let's not turn it into a KT starter versus 3rd stringer thread. It should be quite obvious by now that KT is a smart basketball player who knows how to score and rebound, and some might say play defense. But, as k-rock pointed out, I think the Rockets would have also played about the same the last few games. I see KT as a very good player, but at least as a starter on this team I dont see him contributing to the team as a whole winning. I think he would be either a great sparkplug as a 6th man, or good trade bait. For certain he would give us more than a late 1st round pick.
KT is a pretty good PF, but I'm not too sure how much better he'll get, and how much higher his trade value will be. He's a great player, but he's not in the right situation. When Mo T comes back next year, and Griffin's not a rookie anymore, you better beleive he'll be 3rd string here. That's why we should try to get a backup PF with a small contract, and a draft pick before the deadline. The season is lost, and Griffin needs to develop. BTW, K-Mart does have offensive game. He's no Vince Carter, but he's not a PJ Brown either. A few teams KT can start for btw: Lakers - I'd take Samaki Walker and a draft pick from the Lakers right now. They would too. Maybe Robert Horry? KT would be getting bigger minutes as the backup PF there, rather than the backup backup here. Wizards - He'd start over Popeye and Laettner. Phoenix - Googs is not half the player he was. At best, he and KT can split minutes. Rodney Rogers playing PF? No way. Kt for Rogers would be a good deal for us, since right now we could use a SF in his final contract year. Suns have Marion and need a PF more. Nuggets(?) - I've read that McDyess won't stay if Van Exel is gone? If McDyess leaves, they need at least a temporary solution. With McDyess out this season, KT can play big minutes for them, true? Now, teams he can play big minutes with: Hawks, Celtics, Magic, and Sixers. Like him or not, face the truth, KT and the Rockets would both benefit from him being traded before the deadline.
KT is one helluva back up power forward. His stats are good, but I think you can do better than him. I would not rate Kenny as an above average power forward. True, part of my reasoning is subjective, but it's sometimes the little things such as: lack of height, lack of "team game" (no passing out, too much dribbling...a seeming sour disposition which may adversely affect the clubhouse morale.)
