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All Tomorrow's Parties: What Now?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Mar 5, 2008.

  1. jello77

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    The Democrats are being dumb, IMO. The fact that Republicans want Hillary to be their candidate so badly is telling enough.

    I honestly think that Hillary has no chance to win in the November election. If they pick Clinton as their nominee, McCain will be the next president. I say this as an independent who does not really like either party very much.
     
  2. Deckard

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    What now? John McCain coming hat in hand for Bush's endorsement.


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    Impeach Bush.
     
  3. Major

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    If I'm Obama, I go back and open up the Iowa playbook. You have 6 weeks. Maybe hit a few of the big 20,000 people rallies in Philly and Pitt. But primarly criss-cross all of Pennsylvania, have town halls, interactive sessions, etc. Get on the ground and go and meet people individually. Everywhere he goes, he wins over people. In these big states, he only hits the big cities because of time limits. In Pennsylvania, he no longer has the time limits, and he should take advantage of that.
     
  4. Deckard

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    That's exactly what he should do. If Hillary Clinton wins PA, this thing is just going to drag out longer.



    Impeach Bush and Save Us from Canada.
     
  5. Major

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    The other thing about these 20,000 people rallies is that something like 19,900 of them are already Obama supporters. It makes great media coverage, but the people that are going to come out to a big rally are people who are already going to vote for him. He needs to find ways to reach undecideds and Hillary supporters.
     
  6. Deckard

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    Which would be doing what you suggested... "living" in PA for the next few weeks.



    Impeach Bush.
     
  7. rimrocker

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    True to a degree... but they are important because they fire up his supporters for the grunge work of campaigning.
     
  8. rimrocker

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    Almost looks like the king bestowing knighthood.
     
  9. Rashmon

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    Or the passing of a virus...
     
  10. rimrocker

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    Well, there's that.
     
  11. wnes

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    "What now?"

    What now? Let me tell you what now. I'ma call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' ********, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin', ****** boy? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'ma get medieval on your ass.
     
  12. mc mark

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    I know it's not much but I’ve just signed up to spend a three day weekend in Scranton PA (Scranton is very blue-collar) canvassing for Barack in April! I’ve never canvassed before so not only will it be a learning experience, it should be a lot of fun!
     
  13. The Cat

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    Forgot to make my math-related post in this thread, but...

    When including Florida, Hillary is now within about 288,000 of the popular vote lead nationwide, which isn't much at all and certainly a possibiltiy for her to make up. Is it possible for Hillary to get the pledged delegate lead? Most likely not, but if she can get close enough for superdelegates to put her over the top, she'll at least haven an argument if a majority of voters voted for her.
     
  14. rimrocker

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    But you can't include FL or Michigan... at least that version.
     
  15. mc mark

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    I've been thinking (I know, dangerous), I say bring it on!

    Hillary beat "undecided" in MI 55% to 40%.

    Hillary won FL 50% to 33% (16% to Edwards/Kucinich).

    Lets have a full on, open primary in both states! I have a feeling the numbers will change dramatically and, one way or the other, it will settle the issue.
     
  16. mc mark

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    via TPM, apparently Hillary had a little Pow Wow with the money people today --

    In Private Pep-Talk To Top Donors, Hillary Predicts: "We're Gonna Win This"


    In a private meeting in D.C. with her top fundraisers from all over the country today, Hillary gave a rousing pep-talk in which she flatly predicted, "we're gonna win this," according to a fundraiser who was present.

    In a series of closed-door meetings in Washington today, fundraisers were given extensive presentations from top Hillary advisers and surrogates about strategy and about what needs to be done to win over super-delegates should she fail to close the pledged delegate gap, the fundraiser says.

    The fundraiser adds that there were expressions of frustration with DNC chair Howard Dean for not doing enough to resolve the Florida and Michigan situations.

    Fundraisers were given a presentation on Florida by Senator Bill Nelson, and one on Michigan by Senator Debbie Stabenow, and senior Hillary adviser Harold Ickes walked listeners through the challenges ahead. The presentations had a tone of optimism tempered by realism, the fundraiser said, adding that Ickes didn't try to persuade his listeners that she would be able to close the gap in pledged delegates.


    Rather, the clear message emerging from the presentations was that Hillary's success depends on the campaign's ability to persuade the super-delegates that they should be considering three "data points," as this fundraiser puts it, in considering whom to back: The pledged delegate count, the popular vote, and the specific states won by each candidate.


    By Greg Sargent

    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/in_private_peptalk_to_top_dono.php#more
     
  17. Invisible Fan

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    I have to agree. With the economy crumbling, Obama has to come up with a sound plan that Americans can trust him to back. American priorities has dramatically shifted since the primary season began with the economy now greatly shadowing Iraq.

    Clinton will win this point if Obama can't respond well.
     

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