As I recall, not only did Cartwright slam his elbow into Dream's eye/orbit, he then stepped on said eye/orbit after Dream was writhing on the court in agony!
i'm just a rockets fan on a rockets fan board. maybe i'm wrong, but we drafted akeem in 1984 and we never regretted it.
Preach on tinman, preach on! I remember that well.... lots of worry on the part of young rimrocker over Dream's fate.
yea, instead let's root for and celebrate the good samaritan, father of the year, and overall sportsman of the decade, Vermin Maxwell.
This is beyond idiotic, Olajuwon's Rockets and Jordan's Bulls were great teams respectively. There's no need to rehash old grudges 2 decades later to prove you're "a real fan". What's next? Are you going to start calling out any Yankees on this board?
i remember it. from my recollection, cartwright pulled in the defensive rebound and hakeem went in for the steal which he did pretty often. cartwright started to clear out with his elbows which was still pretty common at the time (i believe clearing out like that is no longer allowed). nevertheless, it was a very scary site seeing the dream on the stretcher and i remember it looking intentional. i've hated cartwright from that day forward.
I'm sorry macalu, I'm not a TMZ fan. What's going on with other people's personal lives? tell me about shane and rafer or even coach Rick The Ruler's personal life.
well if you newbs quit rehashing it then we won't have to correct you http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=142301
Paper: HOUSTON CHRONICLE Date: MON 03/25/1991 Section: Sports Page: 1 Edition: 2 STAR Rockets vs. Bulls II: Subplots By EDDIE SEFKO ..... When Olajuwon talks about Cartwright, he doesn't break into a cold sweat. His voice does not crack and his right eye doesn't twitch. There will be no flashbacks, Olajuwon said. "I'm not worried because I've got the goggles now," he said. Olajuwon might not be concerned. But Jordan is. "I'm worried," Jordan said, "because if Bill gets him again, I don't know what they'll do this time. You know, that Patterson guy ... " That Patterson guy would be Steve Patterson, the Rockets' general manager who opened the door for controversy after Olajuwon's injury. Patterson wondered aloud that the high number of Cartwright elbow incidents would make a strong argument for the possibility that not all of them are accidental. Patterson's statements were televised nationally and brought back the infamous response from Jackson, in which he cited a "Texas vigilante attitude."
enjoy Paper: HOUSTON CHRONICLE Date: SAT 01/05/1991 Section: Sports Page: 5 Edition: 2 STAR Cartwright earns rugged reputation By EDDIE SEFKO Staff They don't call Chicago's Bill Cartwright the "Towering Infirmary" for nothing. The Bulls' 7-foot-1 center is one of the nicer players in the league off the court, but his reputation as an elbow-flinger on the court has made him one of the most feared players in the league. Now the Rockets know how Cartwright can be a health hazard. His elbow has put Akeem Olajuwon out for a month, and the Rockets are not the least bit happy about it. "Any time you have a player with a history like Cartwright's, I think you have to take a closer look when something like this happens," Rockets general manager Steve Patterson said. "Throwing elbows is a function of the style he plays. "But if you know a guy is going to play that way, then you should call the fouls because he's hurting people. "I'm not saying Bill Cartwright is a bad guy, but when people keep getting hurt, you have to wonder." And people do keep getting hurt by Cartwright. Six times in the last two seasons, he's been responsible for sending players to the sideline with injuries. On Friday, Patterson made a telephone call to Rod Thorn, the NBA's vice president for operations. Thorn is in charge of administrative procedures on all acts of violence within the league. "Rod said he reviewed the tape, and the elbow looked unintentional," Patterson said. "But I can't think of anybody else who has been fined for the use of his elbows more than Cartwright has." There will be no fines administered in the case of Olajuwon's injury. Cartwright and Olajuwon were going for a rebound when Cartwright's elbow dug into Olajuwon's right eye socket. Olajuwon has a blowout fracture of the floor and medial wall of the orbit, which houses the eyeball. The Rockets, naturally, think there should be some restitution paid by Cartwright. But the blow came during the course of physical play under the basket. "We've got a history of a guy hurting other players," Patterson said. "As we all know, you can make something look unintentional, even if it's intentional." Though the Rockets might forever think Cartwright was trying to inflict harm on Olajuwon, the only sure thing is that Olajuwon felt Cartwright's brunt for the second time in his career. In 1986, Olajuwon injured his right knee when he became entangled with Cartwright in New York when Cartwright was with the Knicks. "Akeem's a two-time loser to Cartwright," Patterson said. "In New York, he rolled right over on Akeem to injure his knee." Last season, the NBA investigated Cartwright's style of play, and Rod Thorn said: "Bill's a good guy, but there have been complaints. And he's been known to throw his elbows around." Cartwright has had to defend himself in the past. And he will have to defend himself again this time. He always throws up the same defense. When he had four incidents in the span of a month in the 1988-89 season, he claimed it was just coincidence. "You collide with four or five guys over several years," he said. "It just happens that it's all coming at one time now. "It's like you don't get stopped for speeding for years, then you get stopped three times in a month. "As far as guys getting hurt, that's not good, but it's just something that happens in this game." But when Cartwright is around, it just seems to happen more often. ................................................................. Struck down Players who have felt the point of Bill Cartwright's elbows, with date, player injured, team, injury inflicted and time missed or recovery period: Nov. 25, 1986 - Akeem Olajuwon, Houston, sprained right knee, missed 7 games. Jan. 3, 1989 - Greg Kite, Sacramento, severely bruised cheekbone (4 games). Jan. 31, 1989 - Isiah Thomas, Detroit, facial cut (6 stitches). Feb. 16, 1989 - Fred Roberts, Milwaukee, fractured cheekbone (surgery; missed 2 months). April 7, 1989 - Isiah Thomas, Detroit, fractured left hand in a fight with Cartwright (missed rest of regular season). Nov. 7, 1990 - Horace Grant, Chicago, cut over right eye (4 stitches). Jan. 3, 1991 - Akeem Olajuwon, Houston, fractured bone in eye socket (out indefinitely).
you're right Rocketman95, I'm sorry, he has to try to take out Dream 3 times to be obvious, 2 times is too little evidence. Struck down Players who have felt the point of Bill Cartwright's elbows, with date, player injured, team, injury inflicted and time missed or recovery period: Nov. 25, 1986 - Akeem Olajuwon, Houston, sprained right knee, missed 7 games. Jan. 3, 1989 - Greg Kite, Sacramento, severely bruised cheekbone (4 games). Jan. 31, 1989 - Isiah Thomas, Detroit, facial cut (6 stitches). Feb. 16, 1989 - Fred Roberts, Milwaukee, fractured cheekbone (surgery; missed 2 months). April 7, 1989 - Isiah Thomas, Detroit, fractured left hand in a fight with Cartwright (missed rest of regular season). Nov. 7, 1990 - Horace Grant, Chicago, cut over right eye (4 stitches). Jan. 3, 1991 - Akeem Olajuwon, Houston, fractured bone in eye socket (out indefinitely).
Cartwright never intentionally injured anyone anymore than Mutombo has. Patterson's opinion hardly matters. He's the same guy who thought Hakeem was faking an injury.
can you give me a list of all the players Deke has taken out? how about a couple players getting knocked out by Deke multiple times? kinda like Isiah and Dream getting it twice by Cartwright
I just don't understand what this has to do w/ tinman? Okay so you say he tryed to take the dream out right? Okay now what? What are you trying to get to if anything?
there's nothing to get to. tinman's guilty of the very thing he's accusing "newbs" of doing, which is trashing up the GARM.
