Maybe if Griffin had a BULLHORN, his teammates could see he was wide open!

From KT's perspective, who the hell does Eddie think he is? 19 years old? KT allegedly dominated Eddie in practice. However, it looks like Eddie's skills translate MUCH better to the nba game. I think KT believes that he may be a future star. Yes, he's short, but he is taller then Barkley and he's just as athletic. But Eddie is Eddie, and KT doesn't get that. Heck, if Mo didn't get hurt, KT may be the 3rd string PF right now.

 

Since Kenny at the 3 was pretty much a bust, how about this deal?

Seattle trades: Desmond Mason $1,155,240 to Houston
TOTAL: $1,155,240

Houston trades: Kenny Thomas $946,920 to Seattle
TOTAL: $946,920

TRADE ACCEPTED

Stat comparison:
PPG: KT 13.8, DM 11.3
RPG: KT 7.0, DM 4.0
APG: KT 1.8, DM 1.3
SPG: KT 1.28, DM 0.80
BPG: KT 0.84, DM 0.30
FG%: KT .479, DM .448
FT%: KT .659, DM .862
3P%: KT .000, DM .348

Lineup
1. Francis/Norris/Brown
2. Mobley/Torres
3. Mason//Langhi/Williams*/Rice*
4. Griffin/Morris/Taylor*
5. Cato/Willis/Collier

 

This is true, but is it a coincidence that we lost both those games but won the one where we were, for the most part, a more team-orientated/passing-orientated, yet Kenny was absent for the most part of the game (I am asking here)??

 

Oh no! KT will tear Eddie apart if he takes a swing at him!


Mason for Kenny? Why? Just what we need another high jumping perimeter player ala Torre, Mobley, Franics.

Just what we dont need to give up a strong hefty rebounder and inside player.

What's the theory? then trade Mason or Torres etc. for a inside guy?

 

Oh geez...

It was also acknowledged by WHO? Can you find me the quote where KT whines about his role or are you doing an Amazing Kreskin routine? Please show me that quote, any quote. You actually sound like you're talking about Mobley. He has as many moves as any guard I've seen, he's very quick, but he doesn't finish strong, he's selfish, and he's short for a 2 guard.

And am I actually seeing someone drop blame on KT for losing to Philly and Toronto? He had 20 pts/8 rebounds "but we lost both games". How about Francis shooting 5-20 with 7 turnovers against Philly? How about Allen Iverson dropping 58 points on a variety of Rockets guards? That was all definitely KT's fault. And seriously the Toronto game? It was KT's play that was the catalyst for getting INTO that game in the 4th. Antonio Davis could not guard him and Toronto starting doubling KT at one point. I guess they have a little respect for KT's game now unlike some of you.

 

What we are saying is KT is really boring to watch.

GO EDDIE!!

 

I've been wondering the same thing.

1) How do you know he won't accept his original role?
2) When has he whined and complained?
3) What do you mean by "shut his mouth"?

 

Check the archives of the Chronicle or ask any insider on this board.

I don't know where Mobley came into this conversation, sounds like he's just another thing you want to b**** about. That was not a description of Mobley. He really doesn't have a ton of moves, but he does finish strong.

 

The theory is if you want to start Eddie at PF , Kenny can't guard SF's while Desmond can. Mason isn't just a perimeter player either. Plus if Taylor comes back this season then Kenny really needs to go elsewhere.

 

Timing watch the game tonight and see how many times KT passes the ball after Francis gives it to him. And count how many times he passes it to Eddie. Im not dogging KT I think he is good player to have but he just needs to pass the ball to the open shooter when he faces a double team.

 

I dont know what game you guys were watching last night. I saw one or two posessions were Kenny disregarded a wide open Griffin, but thats about it.

It was Steve Francis who was refusing to pass to Griffin after Griffs man would double Steve on the pick n' roll. At least 10 different possessions Steve chose to ignore Griffin and bull into the strong side of the defense with Griffs and his man on his back.

It almost cost us the game down the stretch.

 

Timing - I guess that Griffin hitting 3 threes back to back to back didn't help much.

Unlike the majority of the posters on this topic I think Kenny is a good player and a nice surprise on a cursed year and oh yeah he does finish pretty strong. I will agree however that it wouldn't be a crime for him to be a 6th man, we'll need depth if we're ever to contend. For the record though I could see him starting on another team most likely in the East.

KT's problem isn't not passing to Griff. It's not passing period. He would do a lot better if he makes a habit out of knowing where his teammates are before he makes his move in case he needs a bailout. A better free throw percentage wouldn't hurt either.

One last point, there are times I notice Griff cut and not get the pass, but for the most part he does get looks. I don't think the guards ignore him though. Cat has taken him under his wing, Steve loves to get the assists and about 60% of Mooch's assists come from Griff. It may just be that they're scared to turn it over when he's inside. Let's not also forget that he hesitates and passes up good shots at times. I'll make an effort to see if some of ya'll are right about KT ignoring The Griffster.

 

Good call RocketBooster, Griffen was wide open for threes on a number of occasions but Steve just wouldn't give up the ball. It's not just this game either, it seems like he's either unwilling or unable to get the ball to the guy setting the pick. He always tries to fight through two defenders and ends up 35' from the basket. I don't understand why everyone is piling on KT, when our point guard has a hard time distributing the ball as well. Although I don't think it's from a lack of effort.

 

Pierce scored most of his points on Mobley and Morris. I'd hardly call starting Thomas along side Griffin and Cato a 'failure'.

Great players succeed against any defense.

As far as Griffin not getting the ball

Teams double team our guards before the pick from the big man even arrives. It's not as simple as just hitting Griffin/any big man after he sets the pick. The guards therefore have to continue to, not necessarily 'attack', but pressure the defense to ensure that enough space is created between the defense and Griffin.

It doesn't work every time, and Griffin still shows ambivalence in his decision-making on that play (ie: whether to cut to the basket or roll out for the long range shot), but the good news is that play continues to increase in effectiveness with each passing game.

Maybe they could run more low screens for Griffin so he could recieve the ball at a point where his height would give him an advantage, but overall, you have to be happy with how the coaching staff is utilizing him.


Kenny's 'lack of passing'

It seems like many watch games hoping to see acts of selfishness on Kenny's part to justify the biased notions that have formed in their heads as a result of Griffin's emergence.

He has the best attitude of anybody on the team, hits 48% of his field goals, and finishes better than people give him credit for.

The more I watch him play, the more I want the Rockets to re-sign him.

 

I have checked the archives and this is the only quote I can find attributed to KT in the last week. So why don't you look since you're making the claim.

"I've chased small forwards around before," Thomas said. "That doesn't bother me. The good thing is they have to defend me, too."

As you can see he's very unhappy being moved to the small forward spot. I'd be glad to ask any insider on this board, show me who to talk to and I'll ask the question. Seems to me you're blowing a lot of smoke based on conjecture and your own observation rather than anything that can be verified from actual quotes.

Timing watch the game tonight and see how many times KT passes the ball after Francis gives it to him. And count how many times he passes it to Eddie. Im not dogging KT I think he is good player to have but he just needs to pass the ball to the open shooter when he faces a double team.

Kenny rarely faces a double team from my observation. In the Toronto game he got a double team from Chris Childs high on the floor and passed it out immediately. I don't dispute that once Kenny makes his move to the bucket he's likely not passing it off but to say he's intentionally not passing to a particular player is baseless IMHO. If I recall there was one really nice play where Kenny drove to the bucket, threw a fake which Davis fell for big time, and then threw a bullet pass out for a 3 pointer by Mobley. I'd like to see KT do that more often on some of those drives.

Timing - I guess that Griffin hitting 3 threes back to back to back didn't help much.

Of course that helped a lot but Griffin up to that point in the 4th quarter had 2 points for the game. Eddie wasn't having a very good game at all while Kenny clearly had Antonio Davis lost.

 

If i had said that about Thomas, bbs members would have come out the woodwork. Kenny has to think about that, its like helping someone out thats going to take your job. Thats why i see no way he griffin and taylor can be on the same team. We knoe Griffin is the future, Taylor is the past, and Thomas is the present, but its very hard to have guys that think they should start on the bench. Griffin is here to stay, Thomas or Taylor will have to go. No ifs ands or buts about it. You want to see a bench, look at Sac. How many of those thinbk or know they should be starting for that team? Thats a bench that has their roles together, they come in and share the ball and keep the train going forward. I see Moochie, Torres,Nad Morris as players like that, I don't think Taylor,Rice,and Thomas could play that kijnd of role.

 

Here is the truth about Kenny Thomas.................................Kenny is a valuable offensive player on this team, HOWEVER he makes some of the most bonehead plays imaginable during games and usually makes only 1 out of 2 free throws when he is at the free throw line. I watch Kenny every night and always think he is about to turn the corner and learn this game just in time to see another bone headed pass or foul. He probably gives up just as many points a game with stupid plays as he scores so he is really a non factor out on the court. I too noticed that he does not pass to Eddie Griffin however that is probably due to lack of overall intelligent play on his end. Kenny does not lose games for the Rockets, he just doesn't win them for us either. He is the perfect NBA backup player...........I can't wait for Mo
Taylor to return!!! Best lineup= Cato, Taylor,Griffin, Mobley, Francis w/ Thomas, Moochie, and Rice or Morris off the bench next year.

 

KT made himself look foolish with that statement. He was guarding Pierce most of the night and gave up 40pts. Walker was holding KT most of the night and shut him down by allowing him to have only 8pts and 0boards. KT is not as good as he thinks he is.

 

KT will pass if double teamed, he does not WANT to pass to EG that is clear to anyone who watches the game.

KT is out of here in a year, we have no room for him EG, and MO T.

KT is a good player, it would be nice to keep him, and he is a heady player, he knows the score.

DD

 

excuse me,... double post.