A Poll. A Line. Some Water. Something Fishy Here,Folks!

Okay...I'll relent and change my vote.

We can trade Moochie, but NO ONE ELSE!!!


(I'm fickle though, I may change my mind after seeing him play)

 

Great post, popeye. I only have one caveat with it: I think that perhaps some people don't want to alter our nucleus, and that's why they voted against trading.

Although I originally wanted to trade Mobley (and still do if we won't be a ble to resign him), I'm now more in favor of trading Drew, Walt, Tmass, etc... I like Drew quite a bit, but I wouldn't exactly call him a "core player." I think that the poll would have a decidedly different result if the question had been phrased: "Should we make a deal that would keep our nucleus intact, yet eliminate some of the excess baggage."

I'm not sure that a single member on this board would mind trading Drew and Walt for Derek Anderson and change.

 

Popeye, the reason I voted to stand pat is not because I desparately want to hang on to Massenberg. I wouldn't mind terribly if he stayed or if he went. But the "Make a Deal" option in the poll sounds like a trade for trading's sake -- that is, a shake-up. That does not sound desireable. If a good trade comes along, the Rockets should take it; but, as a rebuilding team, it is not requisite that the Rockets do something/anything before the deadline.

As for Williams, Massenburg, and Drew & Mobley: Williams seems to be doing fine now, and I would not be at all surprised or disappointed if he was part of the team next year. Massenburg would have been a worthwhile player if he didn't get hurt (or rather, would heal properly). I would be surprised if he was on the roster next year, but the Rockets don't need to be in a hurry to move him. He should go when the opportunity presents itself. As for the Drew/Mobley suggestion, I see absolutely no reason why we can't keep both. I really just don't understand why you'd suggest that we can't. It seems out of left field for me.

Finally, regarding filling holes: we're going to have a fairly good draft pick this year. I think we should wait on the draft (unless we trade to move up or down) and see what holes we have after the draft before trying to plug them.

 

Could they waive/cut TMass with an "existing" medical condition without violating some league/union contract provision?

They could have run some young players through for a look-see and maybe been surprised. Curley was a stop-gap with no real future.

The question about what spot to draft for was interesting. I have asked previously if Rogers could be the starting 3 of the future. That is a question, among other questions, that Rudy and CD should have resolved with over half a season already in the books.

Did you mean gist or jest of this tirade?
Or perhaps that was an intentional union of those two words?


Mango

 

What the heck is "prudent" about voting one way or another in a poll that is about as useful as t*** on a boar?

 

I too have interpreted the trade would involve our core players (namely Mobley), because most trades required us to give talents to get talents. At the time I voted (before the recent good display of Drew), I did not think we have anything good enough to offer as trade bait without breaking up our core players. As long as the trade do not involve Mobley, Francis & Cato (unless it is for both Duncan & Hill ) and will improve our team, I am all for it.

Maybe Clutch should have another poll and rephrase the question.

 

I am all for a trade if it improves the Rockets. We have great young talent ....4 players at the guard position. We SUCK at SF, and are questionable at PF and Center will be a question mark when Dream retires.

If we could trade Drew and package him with Williams or Tmass or both...DO IT !!

Drew will not get better sitting on the bench, and he has clearly shown he has NBA talent.

I would even trade Mobley if we can get a McGrady or such, or if Mobley is inclined to test the FA waters so he gets a starting job somewhere.

I think the Rockets needs some HIGHLY SKILLED big men.

Trade some of our midgets for some talented trees.

DaDakota

 

Popeye-
My opinion here is to definetely keep 3 players (Francis-Anderson-Mobley), everyone else would be available.
However like I said in a previous post I think we are close to modeling ourselves after the championship Piston teams with their 3 guards.
I don't look at us as having to win the Championship next year. We have plenty of time. How many rookies have led their team to the NBA championship in their first couple of years (Magic is the one who comes to mind to me). Stevie has plenty of time to win championships. For the next couple of years we need to get better, get more experience for Stevie, Mobley, Cato & our lottery pick this year, and learn to play playoff basketball.
I truly believe a nucleous of Francis-Anderson-Mobley-Cato (unless we can trade him for a good 4 or 5)-Lottery Pick can make the playoffs next year, and be challenging for a championship in 3 years.

 

We canNOT trade Moochie! If we don't have Moochie on the roster, I lose my only excuse for mumbling "Moooooooooochie" over and over while I'm standing in line at the grocery store or sitting in a crowded movie theatre.

 

popeye,

I know what the word means.

You often write in a colorful style and I thought this was another instance of something unique..The amusing part was that the other word could have been inserted and it would have also fit.

Jest.......a witty remark, a bantering remark,
sport or fun

Mango

 

ahhh, philosophy and sports. what a tangled web we weave

 

popeye,

I have a running debate going in another thread and was just fired up at the time when I came across the word definition from you. Yeah, I interpreted the definition as a shot since I keep a dictionary about 3 ft from this keyboard.

You have a colorful writing style in contrast to my brute force approach. I always have to reread your posts several times and sometimes am guily of overanalyzing things. Even in "real life", I have the same tendency to overdue things

Cheers,
Mango.

 

"If 56% of you are voting simply because you think that this roster will remain unchanged until the start of next season, you are sadly mistaken."

Popeye, the question wasn't 'do you think the Rockets roster will be any different next season', it was 'do you think the Rockets need to make a trade by 2/24'. I think most of us here know how to read a question, I hope you weren't insinuating otherwise.

"But barring an acquisation that someone of limited intelligence...is stuffing the ballot box, something with a strong pungent odor is happening."

Aaahh, so if we vote that the Rockets don't have to make a deal in the next 2 weeks, we must be of limited intelligence? Maybe I'm just not getting your humor.

"... why not get the roster closer to where it will be and indeed let them play together. The key is closer. Not exactly as it will be next year. Just closer."

Why not play out the rest of the year and do some more evaluating of the players we already have? You act as if a team decides on its 8 or 9-man rotation in the span of half a year, and that rotation remains the same for the next 10 years. It doesn't work that way. Saying we have to make a deal in the next 2 weeks or the future of our team will suffer is just absurd, IMO. Are deals not going to be allowed this offseason? Did somebody eliminate the draft as a way to ugrade? I don't understand this 'it's now or never' mentality.

"A show of hands,now: How many really, and truly think, Walt Williams will be with us next year? How about the contract belonging to Tony Massenburg,you think we resign him in the off-season?"

I would think that the answer to those questions would depend on whether or not anybody wants those guys. They're not exactly prized posessions. I bet between them, they've played for half the teams in the NBA. These are the guys you think everybody's dying to take off our hands? Walt is similar to MacLean....nobody wants to pay the guy 4 million dollars for that kind (or lack of) production. Put it this way -- if you had a 2 million dollar exception, and Walt Williams was available, would you use it on him? I don't think many teams would.

"How many think we will be able to keep both Mobley and Drew into next year?"

What's so hard about that? Drew's already under contract, and Mobley's a restricted free agent from what I understand. I don't see the difficulty in keeping them both. Whether we want to or not, that's a different story, but that wasn't the question you posed.

"The rest of you people....may realize that the prudent thing to do is vote "TRADE". It may help your outlook. It may actually make you think before following the other lemmings over the opinion cliff."

Either you're still joking, or this is one of the most condescending posts I've ever seen (even worse than some of mine). Try to give people on the BBS a little more credit.

Glad to join the thread, always a pleasure.

 

ya know i haven't seen smoochie play yet... well we'll see his outside shot and all his game soon i hope. cause i want to see if he's better off the bench than drew. if he is let us let drew go to another team to improve our front line up... cause well drew isn't much of a bench player. let him start at another team.

 

Pops and everyone,

I have been away for a while sowing wild oats or something as the saying goes, so if I don't sound up to speed forgive me.

I am a person in favor of filling the holes. What or who to trade is another matter all together. I don't think Mobley is going anywhere by the way with his proximity to Francis. But that said I am not opposed to trading him.

How about Cat for Derek Anderson. Would the Clippers do that? Would it work contractually?

Williams and Massenburg are by far the most expendable of players on this team and getting player(s) in return that are capable of production. That said and with those two in mind how can anybody ask the Rockets to stand pat, when they have a losing record and players who are expendable?