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Why I believe in Barrack Obama over Clinton

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Feb 15, 2008.

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  1. gifford1967

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    Watching the Bush twins run away from Bush for the next 8 months is going to be hilarious.
     
  2. mc mark

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    I think it's some type of republican meme that was sent out. Watch republicans run from him in droves like the last eight years never happened.
     
  3. rodrick_98

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    then look at mccain.

    he's not exactly a tax cutting republican... and without looking at his exact budget goals, i can tell you he would like to increase spending in certain sectors.
     
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    If we follow his plan to keep troops in Iraq for 100 years I can foresee an additional 100 trillion $$$ in spending.
     
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    Yep, if you want to insure that we won't get out of Iraq in the next 8 years vote for McCain. The guy will send even more troops if he can, impose a draft if he can get away with it. Anything to avoid a withdrawal, as he from the school that views Iraq as a chance to redo Vietnam as we see from our own Basso.

    Despite Petraeus strutting around on city streets in Baghdad for photo ops, the Iraqis are never going to accept our terms. I saw one poll showing that 85% of the Iraqi want us to leave soon.
     
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    What?
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


    Who's using "fear tactics?"


    HAHAHAHAHAHAaaaaaaaaaaaa Heeeeeeee Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Whooo! That's rich.
     
  8. rodrick_98

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    i haven't seen this poll, but it's pretty obvious the troops themselves want out. how else could one explain the fact that military personnel are embracing ron paul? seeing how he has received more donations from military personnel than all other candidates combined. it's much easier to play chess when you're not the pawn.

    i've seen conflicting reports. will either obama or clinton pull the troops out immediately, or what are their stated plans?
     
  9. mc mark

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    One of Ron Paul's advisors called McCain The Miss Teen South Carolina Of Economics yesterday. Pretty Good!
     
  10. ROXRAN

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    Again,...If that was the sole issue, they would have had a Hussein Obama crush.

    The fact is that was NOT the sole issue, and issues such as Paul's STRONG belief in the 2nd admendment and small government has as much or perhaps more appeal...Another case of not knowing what's up or down from you...
     
  11. CometsWin

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    I've watched quite a few of Obama's and Clinton's rallies and speeches. I think Clinton by nature is more detailed in voicing her understanding of the problems facing the country but I don't see any evidence that Obama has any less of a grasp. I see Clinton as more of the hands on, workhorse beauracrat and Obama more as the Reagan'esque figure in that he'll put people in their roles, give them an agenda, and let them go.

    I will vote Obama over Clinton for three reasons in particular. First, Obama has the ability to inspire in a way Clinton will never be able to do. This is such a powerful tool on so many levels. Second, Clinton brings way too much baggage with her not only in the way she polarizes people but with how many people she will owe favors if she becomes President, not to mention having Bill around could become a disaster at any time. Clinton is really the establishment, old school Democrat and I think we need something different. Third, Obama can attract independents and Republicans to help the Dems get a bigger majority in Congress. Clinton can't do this at all and nothing gets done with Obama or Clinton in office without bigger majorities in Congress. Republicans will be in full attack mode on day one if Clinton is in office whereas they will have to watch themselves to save their seats if Obama is in office.
     
  12. jo mama

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    why dont you go talk to some people who have actually served in iraq and ask them what their primary issue is?
     
  13. mc mark

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    Excellent post! Well said CometsWin!
     
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    After acquiring some very interesting information today, I am now neutral on which democratic candidate I'd prefer to see McCain run against in the General. Previously, I had determined that Hillary would provide the easier path.


    GOOD DAY
     
  15. Baqui99

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    I wish Hillary would quit running for president and make me a damn sandwich.
     
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    "You said it, brother."
     
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    Share this info with the rest of the class, pls.
     
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    while i would certainly hope there are vast amounts of people who are like me and want a trimmed down government, how do you explain the donations that obama is getting from the troops as well? your argument does not hold up, and just maybe what's up is down.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-09-13-military-donors_N.htm <-- from sept.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pressreleases/2008/YearEndPresidential.2.4.asp <-- from just last week

     
  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Why do you call him Hussein Obama?

    I mean to me....setting everything aside. I don't know why people hate the other side so much. I never really got it. Bush and Hillary had the same problems.

    But I think this country is better off with a democratic president and a republican congress. McCain no doubt would make an excellent president, but he wouldn't be the kind that can heal a lot of bad blood the U.S. has in the world and domestically.

    Obama has the ability to do that. He's no noble guy - let's face it, none of these politicians are. But the man can do a lot to help us get back on track as a country. I think we need to invest in education before we fall too far behind, and i think nothing would restore faith in America then having it elect a black muslim president.
     
  20. mtbrays

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    'Cept he isn't Muslim.
     

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