Reiterating the 4.5 million trade exception..Carrol Dawson.

I can't wait till the offseason...that means they are FORCED to trade. No team would waste it. I wonder what they will do?

 

(Note: I'm not into all of this salary cap stuff, so help me out here aelliot/heypartner/davo/the like)

Question:

Say for instance the Rockets are able to swap Walt Williams for players whose contracts expire this summer. They then clear up $4.5mill more for this summer. They then go ahead and renounce Tony Massenberg to clear up a little bit more room. Let's say Matt Bullard retires as well. Add that to the $4.5mill trade exception and you roughly have about $9million. Do we have that $9million to use in a sign-trade, or do we have to be under the cap (the Maloney/Mclean contracts don't help matters any) to be able to use Walt's freed up space?

In english, I am asking you guys if we have the dough to make a legit run at Duncan/Hill this summer.

 

Cabbage, no way we can even do that. Why? Becuase we just gave Cato an extension. Remember? 5 mil down the drain. Seems simple enough? We will be over the cap for 2 years. We won't make a big signing until Dream retires. We can still get a good vet(like Mason) with that excemption though.

We could do a our lotto pick(draft picks don't count), Walt, exception, and Drew for a 9 mil star. Is it really worth it?

Don't feel bad about losing out of Duncan/Hill sweepstakes. They are thinking of signing one year deals so they can get more money. Something about waiting an extra year so they can get 100+ mil contract instead of 80+ mil. Players these days are all about money. Maybe we can use the Dream money to lure them.

[This message has been edited by rocketsfan34 (edited February 14, 2000).]

 

Thanks for solidifying this for us Da Man. I was getting tired sorting through the arguments as to whether or not we had the exception or not...

 

Actually I think we can be a player in the free agency market. If we are lucky and can somehow lure Duncan or Hill or even Eddie Jones we have flexibility to make a move for them. We do not need to clear up the cap room. We would just need to give them 4.5 million to 6 million dollars worth of players. This explains a little bit why Bill Worell keeps mentioning that the Rockets are going to get a good draft pick then go out and sign an impact free agent and be right back in the thick of things. Give me Duncan this offseason and a small forward in the draft and not only are we the new model on how to rebuild but we are also contenders to get Hakeem one last title.

 

So, if we signed Tim Duncan, drafted Kenyon Martin, and traded Drew and Tmass for Kevin Garnett, we might just win the championship!

 

I'm positive we won't be getting an big name players in the free agency. If I remember right, Jamal Mashburn is a free agent, if he's availabe he would be a great pickup for the Rockets at small forward. As far as the draft is concerned, I predict us to have around the 10th pick. So we could pick up Loren Woods with our lottery pick and play him at backup PF, backing up Carlos. If we don't have another injury plagued season next year, I think we're good enough to slide into the 8th slot in the west.

 

Actually thacabbage, we do not even have to trade/renounce Williams or renounce TMass to be able to attain Hill or Duncan. We could simply trade Williams (4 Mil Salary + $4.5 Mil trade credit) for say Duncan (San Antonio sign for $9mil and trade him). This is quite feasible, since:
a) San Antonio get something in return
b) Duncan preserves his Bird Rights by not entering the free agent market
c) The transaction can be done independent of the Salary Cap.

The problem I have with the whole trade credit scenario is this. The definition of the word "trade" is "an equitable transaction between two parties". If you are a team doing a trade with the Rockets, who intend to use their trade credit, you will be getting back approx $4.5 Mil less in value than you traded. Some teams would like this, especially if they are trying to shed salary and create cap room, but most teams would probably rather get a player or two.

Another thing - Hill only has one year left before he qualifies for the $11 Mil max salary, but I think Duncan still has 4 years.

 

Why are you ALL Missing the big pitcher?

Huh?

Right.

YOU ARE N OT THE DUKE OF TRUTHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Houston has FOUR millions laying around, they need a new arenal, and you want them to SPEND it on a baskeball player?!?!?!?!?

Think about it!! It is like the old old saying, "Give a man a fish he will eat it and then say GIVE ME ANOTER FISH!!, but teach the lazey bastage how to catch his OWN fish and you can make him FISH FOR YOU!!!"

See?

 

Why would Duncan want to come to Houston when there's no certainty that the team will stay in Houston? Even if there was certainty about that, I still don't think we could get him. There are too many other teams who would be willing to give up more IF San Antonio were going to sign and trade him.

 

OMIGOD!!!!!!!

I've had an empty feeling for the last few months, but now I feel complete again.

LHutz is BAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Any trade, that I can envision that uses the $4.5 M trade exception, will be for an overpaid, underperforming player.

The likes of J Howard flash to my mind. The Wizards desperately want to lose Howard's salary and are probably willing to take modest compensation for him.

I don't know if the numbers work, but the Rocks Wiz trade could look something like

TMass + Mobes + 4.5M exception

for

Howard

I personally would not do this deal or any other deal for an overpaid underpreformer.

Howard does not s*ck, but is probably only worth 2/3 of his salary.

 

Well, to start it off right: You never out argued our friend Almu, you only beat him (and us)senseless with your senseless arguments.

But it is good to see/hear/read/have you back!!!!!!

PS: Clutch, I told you that cement block wasn't heavy enough and the water was way too shallow. Dang, I hate being right about these things. You should have just put him under the Utah Jazz basket, handed him the ball and called Karl, like a told ya.

[This message has been edited by popeye (edited February 15, 2000).]

 

No Worries:

I was thinking the exact same thing myself.

The $4.5million exception could be used in 3 scenarios

a) trade for an underacheiving, overpaid player.

b) trade for an overaged player from a team trying to get young.

c) trade for an overpaid player from a team trying to clear cap room.

These are the only possible scenarios, because if the player being shopped didn't have these negative qualities, the host team would want something in return. Obviously scenario 'b' does not fit our situation because we are in the midst of a youth movement.

 

Ummmm...I have a question. Say we are involved in a trade, would we be able to trade the rights of paying Matt Maloney and Don Maclean to that team? Combine that and the 4.5 mil exception and say trade Walt Williams, I would take on an overpaid player so long as his contract ended within the next year or 2. I just want to know if it is feasible or not since we would be getting rid of contracts that last for 4 or more years and won't hinder us anymore.

 

rocketteen,

We don't have any rights to Maloney or MacLean. While we do owe them money (that counts against the cap), that's where it ends. I don't believe that debt can be transfered to another team's salary cap.

 

You know; I thought you guys (admins) had run him off. I was actually a little bitter about it; sometimes his wit was needed to quench the dry Mobley is a God/worthless piece of crap conversations going on around here. I feel much better now about the sanctity of life.