Cory Maggette/Sam Cassell/Mike Miller - Who would you want to trade for?

Maybe for Maggette, but certainly not for Miller. Last I read, the owner of the Grizzlies is thinking about selling the team, and he wants to get rid of large and long contracts. I think a package of Francis + Snyder + Bonzi and 1st rounder would do it.

 

Not sure what's confusing. $Ball looks FIRST IMHO at statistical minutia to dredge up things like taking charges and on-court +/- and then determines if a player is worth their salary. It scours the NBA "bargain" racks.

My approach the entire time I've been on this site is to observe analytically and then check whether the stats bear out what I see.

Over the years, I've appreciated Mike Miller's game. However...

By virtue of my dislike of the Gay for Battier trade, I spend a good bit of my NBALP time watching the Grizz. There is something wrong with Miller's game that doesn't show up in the stats. I can't put my finger on it...it's a lack of consistency...an inability to adapt to Iavaroni...a de-commit to defense...a lack of focus...something is wrong that stats don't show you. Wrong to the point where he's not worth $18.8m for the next 2 seasons.

But I didn't need a spreadsheet to "see" that.

 

ANDRE MILLER!!!!!!!!!!

 

Good point. Cassell would instantly rekindle those warm-fuzzies with many fans in H-town, plus give us a big boost at the 1.

 

this would be the dream trades here

 

I like Corey Magette giving Tmac a rest and taking over the scoring when he goes to the bench. Luther is not an adequate 2 guard backup, because he get's posted up more than a yellow post it.

I love Mike Millers offense, but his D is terrible. I can see him grabbing Tmac's minutes at the 2 and giving some incredible offense. I think his post D is slightly better than Luthers.

Luther and Mike James for Magette or Miller. I would give them Novak for Miller and Mike James if they asked nicely.

 

if any combination of head, mike james, and novak (or all 3) can get us either mike miller or corey maggette, it would be a huge upgrade for this team. considering mike james and novak rarely play, it's like trading head for mike miller (huge upgrade) or maggette.

mike miller's an even better shooter than head and despite whatever qualms some might have about his defense, there is no way he'll get abused the way luther head does in the post. maggette would be my 2nd choice since he isn't the same kind of outside threat, but i'd still rather have him on the team than luther.

 

I kinda agree with you, but if the Grizz will take back our crap in return, I'd certainly give him a shot.

You could have used a spreadsheet to see it. The Grizzlies give up 111.4 points per 100 possesions with him on the floor. (Not that it's important to my point, but they score 108.1 points/100 possessions.) With the exception of Navarro and Conley, only Rudy Gay is worse among rotation players. That is ridiculously high as a starter, and as bad as the Grizz are, they do better with him off the floor.

As a comparison, when the worst (defensively) current rotation player for the Rockets is on the floor (Landry), they give up 109.9 points/100 possessions. They also score 113 points/100 possessions.

 

what's wrong with mike miller is that he plays for the grizzlies, a young, rebuilding team with no hope of accomplishing anything in the foreseeable future. judging from the grizzlies' lack of success, it doesn't seem like miller is the only one with an 'inability to adapt to Iavaroni.'

what's right with miller is that he's a career killer from the 3 (40+% this season) and is shooting above 50% from the field as a guard. 18.8m over the next 2 seasons isn't bad if you consider that the rockets probably aren't going to be able to get the gilberts/marions in free agency anyway, so we'd just end up spending the money on a lesser player. i think miller is all we'd need to be legit, so why wait till next year to go after a piece when we can start contending this year.

 

hands down mike miller.

 

I'll take either Miller, Andre or Mike, and I have always liked Maggette. Cassell would be nice. The Rockets need a boost.

 

i know you're only talking about defense, but that's unfair when the player is going to be brought in mainly for his offense. what's important is that (operating under the dubious assumption that these statistics are even helpful for an analysis like this, especially for a crap team) his impact on offense outweighs what he gives up on defense. so he might be a poor defensive player but he makes up for it by helping the team to a net of 6 more points when he's on the court than when he's off. if miller came he'd just be replacing someone like head in the rotation, someone we all know is a huge liability on defense anyway, despite what the stats say about his on/off court impact.

 

Isn't that what Steve was suppose to do!?!?!?!

 

I agree with you, playing for a playoff team will light the fire under him.

Secondly, to get him for the players we could get, its a win-win situation.

And finally, if things don't work out for him in our system then next year he is an approximately 9 mil expiring contract for trade times.

 

Sam Cassell is worse than Steve Nash on defense.

We need to get rid of francis , head, and james. (head CHOKED in the playoffs)

We need to add maggette , m.miller , or a. miller. (2 of the 3)

 

Mike Miller is worst than Carmello Anthony on defense and Cory Maggette is the human pin cushion.

 

maggette, we really need a slasher, draw fouls when game comes close

 

Cassell . . .

Rocket River

 

Mike Miller would be the best choice for a more motivated T-Mac, but that would also create a logjam of swingmen. Miller and Shane both command up to 30min/game, while T-Mac gets 35-40 and Bonzi 20-25.

Maggette I'm not to sold on him for this team, I'd take Mike Miller over him.

Cassell is my choice. He still has some game, he is clutch, he has killer instinct, and he's a leader on the court. Not only that, but he's the easiest to acquire.

 

I'm not convinced that I 100% agree with your deduction. But let's suppose Les Alexander and Daryl Morey do.

Miller makes $8.25m so you need just over $6m in contracts to cover. And the Grizz will not take more than 2 players back because they have 14 roster spots and will have to waive someone to fit a third player into the mix. And on top of that, they are over the LTax limit by about $8m.

Further, they won't take James because they have 4 PG's after waiving Stoudamire. You are now stuck. Excluding Battier and James, the next highest total you can reach with 2 players is $4.6 with Wells and Snyder.

This is the flip side of acquiring all the "speadsheet" talent....you will never have large enough contracts (expiring or otherwise) to take a risk on a $8m player like Miller unless you really sweeten the pot with picks and cash and young talent. Which totally defeats the principles of "speadsheet" basketball.