[Chron] Hybrid offense begins to take off.

I don't think anyone who payed attention last year can possible argue that this offense is the same. Sure, some of the results are the same (Yao gets the ball in the low post) but its the way we move the ball around and look for other options that makes the offense unique.

That's why we've had 4 or so players in double figures for most games recently--we take what the defense gives us, and other players getting open and hitting shots opens up the bread and butter stuff (Ex: the 1st quarter against golden state)

Last year, it was either a.) High pick and roll, b.)immeadiately into yao on the left block, C.) The "elbow play" for t-mac on the left elbow. There were vairiations, but the VAST MAJORITY of the time, one of these plays would be run. If the defense was savy to it, or adjusted (as they would inevitably in a 7 game series), we were in trouble, forced to rely on T-Mac or Yao being spectacular.

Now, we move the ball a little more, we make the defense shift, and we look for the same high percentage oppurtunities in a more nuanced way. Las year, if T-mac and Yao both had bas shooting nights like they did against indy, we were in trouble. Now, more options and more weapons mean we have a better chance.

some caveats to this though:
A. We do have better players this year
and,
B. We are in a transition phase--i agree with DD that next year/the year after our offense will continue to get sexier. as rick "add's things". I'm excited for the future.

nick

 

Don't forget ... we had Juwan Howard last year. He was huge for us in the playoffs.

 

We started legit rebuilding with Stevie in '99. And have been re-re-rebuilding ever since. It's about time to quit building towards being a championship pretender and actually become a championship contender.

Rox need more than Mike Harris to get there. Rox need more than what Adelman has brought, to date. Rox need more than TMac has produced. Rox need to be bold, or focused just on the prize, or or or what can be done?

 

Rebuilding doesn't always work, keep in mind. Winning the chip is a rare, rare thing.

What can be done is be patient. The kings under Adleman took 4 years to gel, with largely the same team, and get within an obscenely lucky robert horry shot and an untimely injury to Peja to beating the lakers in their absolute prime and most likely winning a title. Adleman's style of play takes time. Give him some.

 

Anybody notice in the Chron today in the little 'breakdown' section for tonight's game against Minny the little bit where it calls Luther 'Guard/Forward Luther Head' ?

I was like, what, did we trade Luther Head for some other guy named Luther Head?

 

T-Mac comes off screen to catch and shoot (17-22 feet jumper) is a money play.

 

Beg to differ. Go back and watch he posted in the middle and he cut across the lane as much last season. What he did not do last season was play any high post.

Yes and no. When Yao is out high this season they are running some back cuts differently- esp with the PF, but the majority of the cuts are coming when Yao is off the court. They are running the alot more back cuts when they put in Landry with Scola and the pg are looking more for the cutter- that has been different. Last season they ran quite a few back cuts for Hayes but TMac was about the only one who ran that play with Chuckie.

Agree- he is really a nice player and should only improve. Having an offensive PF makes alot of difference in the way teams defend. That is one good reason to have Yao move away from the basket some. But it also sets up some assists for Yao when Landry and Scola are at the 4.

I agree with you the way Rafer has attacked the basket is definately a significant change from the way he parked on the 3 pt. line last season. Rafers offensive play in general has been a significant difference, but that hasn't been a system thing as much as he just stepped up when Tracy was out and that has seemed to spark him. Brooks has a nice attack mode also. Battier is even looking to attack some. Adding Bonzi who can also get in attack mode and Scola and Landry definately has lessened the live and die by the 3 pt shot mentality.

I like the way Adelman is using the rookies and the rotations. But essentially Yao and TMac are playing pretty much the same offense as last season. Yao still passes out to the 3 pt shooter more than anything else when he is doubled and tripled.

Did you watch the Bucks game? It was vintage TMac taking over in the 2nd half with a barrage of outside shots just like last season. If Tmac doesn't take over in the 4th qtr. we lose that game. And Yao is still dominating in the post. He is the dominant low post scorer in the league.

They run the same low post plays to Yao as last season and the same P&R offense for TMac- basically Yao and TMac are playing the same and they are both very effective- at least when TMac is healthy.

Corrected.

 

I had the same reaction. It implies that with T-Mac out, Adelman could run his offense. With T-Mac out, the team could make harder cuts, the team could do things. Ademan also said, "We Know it Works". So why doesn't it work with T-Mac in the line up? Does the coach change his offense to suit the personnel, or does he change the personnel?

 

That's one way to look at it. Or you could say that we went to a more balanced attack out of necessity. As I said earlier in the thread, you don't want Luther Head or Bonzi Wells trying to replace what T-Mac does.

 

For DD's eyes only - V-Span wants to come back to NBA.

I dont know how true it is because there is no link, but credit to a poster Kill_Bill_Pana on spurs board.

 

I would think he means that he can't replace 20-25 points a game AS WELL as around 6 assists without running. Running means more posessions to score these points. If you think about Mcgrady with his assists he accounts for around 30 points a game roughly. Expecting to make up that difference would definetly mean more posessions for more opportunities to score

 

The difference is the new players. Unless people think it is a coincidence that this team started winning when Scola stepped up his game and Landry turned into Mr. Instant offense along with Brooks playing pretty solid for a rookie.

Before the emergence of these players the offense looked like it did last year except with more confusion and possibly more energy seeing how nobody was wasting any playing defense.

 

Not unless you're in east...

 

Fixed it.

 

"Running" does not necessarily means more possessions. The "running" by Phoenix, yes, it means more possessions, but the "running" in RA system is more about players move more in a half-court offence. In ideal situation they will still try to use the 24-sec clock as much as possible to achieve an easy shot, so it only means efficient possessions.

I do believe it's actually a slip from RA's mind which genuinely believes Tmac doesn't pick up his motion offence well.

 

Sending JVG's players to Adelman is similar to sending pupils to a college directly. It is Prof. Adelman's fault, he should not assume that his pupils are high school graduates. Now, pupils are sent back to a middle school.

.

 

Mike Harris was waived. He wasn't enough to get there.

 

Dada is right.

The last 25 champions all won a playoff series the previous year before being a champion. And the team 26 years ago that didn't was the Lakers, who had won the ring two years prior and had much of the same cast.

History says that we don't win....but we could be an exception.

 

Teams at the same or lower level than what the rockets have right now have made the nba finals. 2007 Cavs, 2002 Nets (with starting center jason collins), 2001 76ers. It's about have 1 guy stepping it up for 4 quarters and setting an example that his teammates will follow. Individually Tmac and Yao have faired well this month, but neither was the Lebron, Iverson, or Kidd that brought it to a new intensity.