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[On my knees begging] Change the damn playoff format already

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by baller4life315, Jan 31, 2008.

  1. baller4life315

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    By this point, it's no secret: the Eastern Conference sucks. It's sucked for years. For years the "JV League" has ruining the integrity of playoff basketball and devaluing the accomplishments of basketball teams everywhere.

    As usual......

    Out of the 15 teams in the Eastern Conference, the Heat are the only team that is realistically eliminated. Some of the worst teams i've seen this year like the Knicks, Bucks and New Jersey (recently) are all very much alive.

    The freaking Bucks, or in other words the 13th best team in the conference, who just lost by 43 points last night are only two games out.

    The KNICKS, for God's sake, are only five games out!

    The Hawks and Nets are both in position to make the playoffs despite being badly under .500.

    ....and of course, as a Rockets fan you can't help but to be annoyed. We're currently the 10th best team in the West according to our record meanwhile we could be the 5th seed (1/2 game out of the 4th) in the East. It's ridiculous. It's a damn joke.

    Not only that, i'm sick of the three division winners getting the top three seeds. It badly hurts a second place finishing team within a strong division which seems to happen nearly every year.

    When does this madness end? At what point does Stern step in and say that he's seen enough? If the conferences can't even themselves out the conventional way then I believe it's his responsibility to intervene and take action.

    How do you correct this problem?

    John Hollinger seems to have been the biggest proponent for creating a useful remedy and came up with the very intriguing idea of cross-matching the seeds to make it East vs. West.

    Here's his example with last year's playoff seeds for example:

    ""East" Half
    (1E) Detroit vs. (8W) Golden State
    (4W) Utah vs. (5E) Chicago
    (2W) Phoenix vs. (7E) Washington
    (3E) Toronto vs. (6W) Denver

    "West" Half
    (1W) Dallas vs. (8E) Orlando
    (4E) Miami vs. (5W) Houston
    (2E) Cleveland vs. (7W) L.A. Lakers
    (3W) San Antonio vs. (6E) New Jersey"

    Now what's wrong with that? Sure, everybody hates change but in this case it leaves everybody on a level playing ground. It eliminates any useless conference distinction and allows the stronger teams the chance to play other stronger teams in the later rounds.

    The Cavs from last year are an excellent example of the need for a change. How many people watched or gave a damn about the NBA Finals last year? Everybody knew the Cavs were completely outmatched and the playoffs were essentially over after the Spurs dispatched the Jazz in the WC Finals. What fun is that, that on the NBA's biggest stage everybody considers it a joke?

    Obviously, that will probably be a little different this year with the Celtics and Pistons actually being the real deal but the idea of these mediocre teams just coasting through the regular season, getting hot in the playoffs against subpar competition then getting the opportunity to play for a championship is sickening.

    I know i'm rambling a bit here so i'll stop. My question for anybody that cares is how would you go about correcting this problem? Do you think the conferences will even out again in the near future? Any other thoughts?
     
  2. meh

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    What's the point of complaining? The same is the case with other sports. AL has for a long time been better than the NL. AFC for a while now has been better than the NFC.

    The Rockets may have been screwed because of they're not in the JV league. But the Astros have prospered from this inequity too. I didn't hear people complaining that the Astros playoff appearances were "tainted" because superior teams(mostly from the AL) were left out because they had better competition.
     
  3. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    Tides will turn. Just be patient. Like Meh said, the AFC has been prominent lately but historically the damn thing is like 21-20 AFC vs NFC. Of course your proposal would always keep things balanced no matter what. Could be interesting.
     
  4. baller4life315

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    You guys both make good points and I see what you're saying. My thing is I just don't think using the possibly flawed NFL and MLB structures is reason enough to stand pat and not do anything about the clearly messed up NBA format.
     
  5. The_Yoyo

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    the thing is that with the nfl and MLB so few teams make the playoffs that even though one conference is overall stronger you still will normally get the best teams playing in the post season. Basketball is different in that over half of the league's teams make the playoffs....if you are going to have that many you must make it balanced somehow.


    have east and west standings but i saw the top 16 teams overall regardless of location makes the playoffs and they do it NCAA style matchups of 1 vs 16 etc...it will ensure that the final round will usually be the two most deserving teams
     
  6. Mr. Slim Citrus

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    So don't rely on the NFL and MLB model; the NBA has seen the same phenomena over the years: during the '90s, teams with losing records made the playoffs all the time from the west. In 1997, three teams in the west made the playoffs with sub-.500 records; the Clippers made the playoffs with a record of 36-46.

    These things balance out.
     
  7. Shroopy2

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    Things definitely balance out in the NFL. Their playoff sytem might be the same old format, but their season scheduling allows parity and new teams to contend every year in all divisions.

    In MLB The playoff format is okay since so few qualify for postseason. Its the lack of salary cap that keeps the same big money teams loaded year after year.

    NBA, yeah teams don't seem to care a crap about winning the division. Its been about playoff seeding for years now. There's little need to factor division winners into the postseason format in my opinion...

    Why not reward the best teams in any conference or division period? The 10th place Rockets have worked harder, smarter and better to make themselves better than 70% of the franchises. While the poorly run Hawks and Knicks shouldnt be anywhere NEAR having hopes for a postseason. Who wants to wait 10 years for balance to naturally restore?
     
  8. Oski2005

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    There's nothing wrong with the format, the problem is the people running the teams in the Eastern conference.
     
  9. meh

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    I don't see why the number of teams that gets in makes a difference. Whether you're determining top 8 or 12 or 16, you're going to have a bunch of "undeserving" teams who are going to make it.

    Ironic you bring up the NCAA tournament, because the single-elimination format is very much AGAINST the best teams advancing. In NBA terms, chances that the Atlanta can beat Dallas in a game? Pretty good. Chances that Atlanta beats Dallas 4 out of 7? Slim to none. In the NBA playoffs, two teams with a significant talent gap will almost always result in the superior team winning.

    Basically, life isn't fair, and neither is the NBA system. You just deal with it.
     
  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    And yet, in the "2000s" 12 different teams have made the World Series and 7 different teams have won it. So even though the big money teams tend to make the playoffs (i.e. Yankees and Red Sox), mid-market teams routinely get to the World Series.
     
  11. Marsarinian

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    Since the Lakers just landed Pau, I'll start praying too. Hey, that way we'll at least get out of the first round!
     
  12. Easy

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    I think they should use a 2-division format similar to European soccer. The worse 2 teams get demoted to Division II. The best two teams in D-II get promoted to D-I.

    That would eliminate a lot of crappily run organizations from the REAL competition in the playoffs. Also would eliminate tanking for better draft picks. The regular season would mean something. You'd have competition fighting for playoffs seeding at the top, for playoff spots at the middle, and for staying in Division I at the bottom. No tanking, no meaningless games.
     

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