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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by GoRedRowdies, Jan 29, 2008.

  1. frm

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    wtf? we should trade Yao. BUY LOW SELL HIGH. you guys wanna talk business? let's talk business!!
     
  2. mbiker

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    It should be apparent to everyone that Tracy’s iso game is the complete opposite of the motion offense. If anyone doubts this I encourage them to watch some of the old Sacramento King games. Rick Adelman has to find some way to fit a square peg in a round hole. You cannot run a motion offense with your star player playing a different style. It’s just not going to work. It’s bad enough that Yao does not necessarily fit with Adelmans style either, but put Yao and Tracy together and you have the opposite of motion.

    At some point the Rockets management is going to have to decide whether they are going in Rick Adelman’s direction, which has been successful or Tracy’s direction, which has not been successful. Tracy has been in the league for some time now, which means he will only get slower and will probably get injured more often. The Rockets need to make a decision quickly, and find someone that will fit in Adelman’s system better.
     
  3. Uprising

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    I wasn't here last year when the Rockets were winning while Yao was injured and the offense looked a lot better. Was there a lot of trade Yao threads during that time?
     
  5. boby

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    I wonder is it possible that actually it is Tmac who got iso-ed? Because whenever Tmac is off, others step up big. When he is in, people just stand there watching.
     
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    We shot 44% against Utah and lost.

    We shot a whopping 46% against Golden State - that's 2% better, but if you take Yao out, the team only shoots 42%


    So, you can make out a 2% difference? :rolleyes: :p :)
     
  7. newstart

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    It's different. We know Tmac is off-peak while Yao is at his prime. It's tough to accept, but this is the business. Remember we also trade the Dream?
     
  8. Spacemoth

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    We didn't trade Dream, and we never would have. Last year people were complaining about Yao holding back the offense, but most everyone realised the prospect of trading him was a fantasy at best, for non-basketball reasons more than basketball ones.

    And about T-Mac, I really think he's trying his best. The only way I'd trade him is if we could get an all-star caliber shooter in return.
     
  9. northeastfan

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    One big difference in the game was FTs. Yao made 14/15 tonight.
    By contrast, the Rockets only make 9/19 against Utah.
     
  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I think you are seeing that. Even against Utah T-mac cut a few times - once for a dunk...but other times, it just didn't materialize. It takes time to learns all of that - and it's not going to happen against a team like Utah.

    It's one thing to run all that stuff in practice, it's completely different when you execute it during a game against pressure defense who aren't always going to do what you expect or want them to do.

    Usually, it's not the first pass that creates the opportunity either, it's the 2 or 3 pass.

    I actually thought our passing was sub-par tonight. The ball movement was not better than Sunday - it was the same, kinda of crappy. I've noticed that the times everyone talk about how great our ball movement is - it's usually against 2nd rate teams or when we are behind big and the opposing team lets us make a run.

    Don't be fooled. You aren't going to look pretty against Portland or Utah. And we definitely didn't look fluid tonight - particularly in the 2nd half and most definitely in the 4th qtr.

    The 4th qtr was an absolute disaster. We blew our lead and let them take the lead.
     
  11. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    absolutely - we missed Yao on Sunday. But we see that we struggled against the good teams without Tmac as well (Boston, Orlando, and NO - as well as that loss to Philly).

    But we're still a better team with T-mac, and every Rocket knows that.

    The fact is we're now won 10 out of our last 13 and tmac definitely played a positive role.

    Just imagine how good of a team we are - Tmac is the best penetrator and creates many looks for us, but he needs Yao to prevent the double team. Yao suffers at times without t-mac, especially with turnovers as he isn't great at posting up and dribbling it in turning into the paint.

    Tonight Adelman must have made an adjustment because I haven't seen yao get that deep in the paint in a long time - and that's where he did his damage. Maybe the rest did him some good.

    We need both of these guys to win in the playoffs....there's no hope without either.

    T-mac offers you something you can't get via trade - that confidence to put the games in his hands and find the best opportunity - whether it's a shot or an assist. No one on this team can do it, and no one we could get in return could do it.

    You'd kill us in 4th qtr execution - and right now, t-mac is the best we got in that department and the best we can have. You can't improve on him because the guys that are better are not available.
     
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    lol why the hell does maggettes name keep popping up around these boards ? hes more injury prone than t-mac.... and hes just not good enough.
     
  13. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    We traded Dream because his career was over and he couldn't accept it. We didn't want to, we offered him a 3 year contract knowing he wouldn't finish it, and Toronto offered him 4 years - so we traded Dream for nothing so he could do what he wanted to do.

    And to compare T-mac to Dream at that stage is absolutely ludicrous.
     
  14. SuperStar

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    Nothing different. People could of said some similar thing about Yao last year. Chances are Tmac isnt going to be traded this year. I know it's a business and Yao = big buisness.
     
  15. superx

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    Are you serious?Trade T-MAC for REDD???
    You must be a Bucks fan. :mad:
     
  16. Spacemoth

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    I would do it.
     
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    I second this

     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    If only you were the GM, huh?
     
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    TMAC doesnt fit well with Adelman ball, when he's on court the the offense became stagnant and motionless, maybe a trade with two borderline allstars for our superstar will be the best for the rockets.

    TMAC + filler for two team oriented borderline allstars:

    jamison + butler
    iguodala + miller
    martin + bibby/rahim
    gerald wallace + richardson/okafor
    deng + heinrich
    magette + cassel


    P.S. get jose calderon that guy is a good point guard and fits adelman offense.
     
  20. Tfor3

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    thats your opinion :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     

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