You knew this thread was coming after this game...

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Maybe you did. For thinking an injury prone player who at this point isn't even performing like an all-star, affects team chemisy, is being paid $20 milion+ a year to play half-heartedly is better than having an efficient good players like maggette, butler, hamilton, who is being paid alot less? Next time, use a brain before you reply to my post.

 

Maybe T-Mac is our Herschel Walker.

 

Tmac said that he wanted the role players to keep playing well like what they did while he was out, and not look for him on the offensive end. After he came back, they just started sucking all the sudden, esp rafer. How ironic! If it's really the reason you claimed, they just need to relax a little bit or I say let's get them a shrink.

 

So I guess dudes here really expect Yao to give us 35/15 while Rafer comes thru with Jason Kidd-like numbers on a nightly basis.

Once again, don't ever trade/giveaway a perennial MVP candidate unless either:

A) We are rebuilding
B) We get equal value in return

 

tmac and a filler for for conley, gay, and warrick

 

We played team ball when we beat the Spurs down the stretch..

I think the problem is the team is still somewhat conditioned to how JVG ran our offense..."star only offense"

Bring in our newest players, who haven't experienced the conditioning, and they are able to play Adleman ball, even with Tmac on the floor.

Adleman's system can and will work very well with Tmac, it'll just take getting used to not looking for him to do so much of the execution.

 

I guess it looked better because we were making shots.

 

A very good point, but how do we get Tmac on board?

DD

 

Hopefully they can sort it out and Tmac can mesh in ASAP, I think we did pretty well in the 4th quarter against Portland.

 

Adleman has done a great job so far in shaking up and seeing what lineups work well for us with Tmac on the floor (Example: the Novak experiment). I think we'll just have to wait and trust Adleman to put all the pieces together as the season goes on.

 

I think he has been ever since he came back from the injury. I still see a lot of standing around when he has the ball in his hands though. It's a two way street. Players need to learn no to rely on him HEAVILY and T-Mac has to trust his teammates.

 

that first half against utah was kind of the last straw for me. t-mac knew how big a game that was. with yao out, t-mac knew he would have to be even more aggressive. so what does he do? he reverts to t-jack, with his paint allergy on full display.

he is one of the most talented players in the league, but he doesn't fit well with this team this year. our role players tighten up when they play with him, perhaps they're scared to make mistakes, perhaps they're deferring to him.

by the same token, he is one of the most talented players in the league. shouldn't we be able to trade him for some decent players that bring synergy to the team? granted we won't get full value in return, but how about 70% value, that fits better with the team? at what percentage in return value do you not do a trade? 100% equal value in return is not realistic.

 

The problem is still T-mac, if Yao could bring the team chemistry and T-Mac can't, then it is his problem, he supposed to lead the team but not be a shooter only.

I like Scola's early play, that totally destroyed Golden State's plan.

I also like Yao's hardworking, you can see big guy did his best despite of illness

 

The Tmac effect:

In one view...

Cause- Tmac holding the ball too long
Effect- stalls offense > opposing defense can set up > players stand still > Rockets settle for contested jumpshot


Cause- Tmac walking the ball up the floor
Effect- again, opposing defense can set up > same result as previous


Cause- Tmac taking jumpshots
Effect- higher probability of missing > a missed shot leads to fast break for other team > four point turn around > weaker overall offensive attack




I'm not putting down Tmac because yet in another view...

Cause- Tmac NOT holding the ball too long
Effect- Tmac makes move quicker > catches defense off-balance > easier shots or passes to convert > 30+ point game for Tmac

Cause- Tmac RUNNING the ball up the floor
Effect- again, catches defense off-balance > results in easy basket or DUNK! > home crowd gets up loud and cheers > motivates more chances to fast break and score

Cause- Tmac attacking the basket
Effect- 2 easy points or trip to the free throw line > makes opposing defense make adjustments on next possession > opens up opportunities for others to score > 7+ assists for Tmac

So, if Tmac can just tweak his game in those areas, he can be a major force on this team. He has to know he's not a JVG team anymore. He has to know that Yao Ming can play uptempo as well (as seen in the Warrior game). He has to know he needs to be in attack mode. He just needs to change his mindset, and nothing else. Don't trade him.

 

Who's gonna fall for a "fleece the Vikings" trade?

We can NOT get enough value for him. He is worth more to us than what we can get in return.

PERIOD

END

OF

DiSCUSSION.

 

i would have respected this thread/you post until you said "Rafer is the next CP3" wtf? Rafer is good he out played Davis no doubt.

This team plays sooo much better without Tmac for sure! Better chemistry on the court, better passing, more ball movement, more player movement without the ball, more players with assists, points, rebounds. I have no doubt in my mind that this team is better without Tmac! And Tmac does not fit into this offense at all!! Knowing that... No! we cannot get into playoff with out Tmac and always finish games like we did tonight. This team does NOT need T mac instead needs a player who averages 7-8 assists per games with 14 - 15ppg a good play maker.

 

Well, I would be hestitating to trade him now, maybe season end is a good time to do it,

I have a feeling that Adelman doesn't like T-MAc, Morey doesn't neither, but they want to get a fair deal at least, with current publicity on his drama, no one would give us equal value or even 70% of the value

It is middle of the season and we dont want to shock the team too much.

 

So we should just keep the guy forever even if he doesn't fit into the offense...

 

True, I think althought Ralfer is better than last year, he still sucks as a PG
We need a better captain, Caledon would be good for us......

never dreamed about CP3, he would be a star......