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Adelman - rest your starters and toss Bonzi back on the bench

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Jan 21, 2008.

  1. xiki

    xiki Member

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    I don't like BW. I abhor RP. No, no...and NO!
     
  2. Pringles

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    luther and bonzi aren't perfect. they are completly different kind of sg. luther, is an under-sized shooter. that's it. bonzi is a post up player and rebounder. that's it. imo, they both have quick hands and one of them is naturally a liablity due to his size, and the other one just doesnt' focus.

    and the shooting slump luther's gotten into, made him to a useless player. what's the point of movement, if we end up shooting a 3 that's an automatic miss?
     
  3. RocketsMac

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    it's official, DaDa has lost the remaining 2 ounces of his functional brain.. (no offense) :D

    play Luther Head instead of Bonzi!! brilliant!!

    I guess with the absence of a Vspan, Luther gets the call..
     
  4. Rockets2K

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    major LOL to the people that think Head is worse at defense than Bonzoid.

    it doesnt have to be that way, but it is, Bonzi is just lazy, at least Head tries.

    oh, and btw...its always easy to see the people that dont know jack about defense, they are the ones claiming Head doesnt play any.
     
  5. Pass 1st shoot 2nd

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    Agreed, as long as you don't need a baby sitter...and don't mind having another registered sex offender in town...

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2898884
     
  6. denniscd

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    play luther...release snyder, francis, wells...get the chemistry right
     
  7. manbearpig

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    Head is crap. He has lost his shot from last year. Cant make his threes and after three years has still not learned to finish a drive for his life. He isnt very bright either. Cant set up a play for crap.

    Bonzi may not be as good as head on defense, but he brings a lot on offense and is a great rebounder. He is the best guy we have attacking the basket behind tmac and possibly rafer and can hit the mid range jumper. The guys brings an aggresiveness to the floor as well.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    Look, I am not huge fan of Luther, but when the team was doing ok without Tmac it was Luther and Alston in the backcourt and they did work well off of Yao.

    Bonzi does not seem to fit all that well.

    And his defense....man, it is way worse than Luthers....all he does is let his guy shoot and immediatly try to get a rebound.

    DD
     
  9. Sooner423

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    I think the Rockets may be trying to improve Bonzi's trade value a little before the deadline.
     
  10. RocketsMac

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    at least he tries to get a rebound.. at least he is within 3 feet of the guy shooting.. at least he resembles a ninja turtle which might strike the offensive player as funny and mess up his focus on his shot..

    Luther is NOTHING.. absolutely nothing.. he follows the defensive player, takes the exact same route as him.. he doesn't get the concept of going over/under screens, he just follows the guy step by step and looks at the shot as it goes up, and, if by any chance that wide open shot is missed, he just keeps staring at it and doesn't even consider boxing out for the long rebound..

    he dribbles off his foot on offense..
    he waits at least 5 seconds before he takes any action, not even a dribble, just sitting there..
    he head fakes like a maniac, and his fake is so freakin' obvious and ugly that a 2 year-old wouldn't go for it..
    he can't pass to the post worth a crap..
    he can't pass the ball period..
    he loses handle of the ball every now and then..
    he gives the ball to Yao in the worst positions possible..
    he gets blocked on the majority of his drives..
    and, when in doubt and the shot clock is going down, his favorite target is an under pressure Rafer Alston..

    god I hate to watch him play.. great guy nonetheless, but a horrible horrible basketball player with the IQ of a watermelon..
     
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    Any team that starts Luther Head is not a good basketball team. Further, a Rafer/Luther backcourt could easily take 8-10 years off my life if this keeps up so I WELCOME the idea of Bonzi or somebody else starting instead of Luther.

    Look, Bonzi and Luther both have marbles in their head. Both are mistake prone but at least Bonzi isn't an undersized one-trick-pony tweener like Luther is.

    Adelman has been as inconsistent as they come with his lineups and rotations so who knows if this new change is permanent especially with T-Mac coming back. All I know is a Rafer/Luther backcourt should never, ever be starting for any basketball team.
     
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    For reserves, it's obvious that whoever can't shoot will sit on the bench. Head and Brooks can't make open shots recently, so they sit.
     
  13. javashot

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    luther can shoot 3's better than bonzi

    on the other hand

    bonzi is a better defender
    better rebounder
    more offensive threat
    better passer
    better at attacking the basket
    better finisher
    more control with the ball
    creates on his own
    makes better decisions
    hes stronger, taller , tougher , i can go on and on

    luther just does not add up!! when you check out his strengths and weaknesses it doesnt add up. hes a good 3 point shooter but thats it!! last year he was credited a lot for making big shots in the 4th quarter, but in those same games him and rafer were the reason we didnt and still dont close out games! we usually lose when our guards get outplayed.

    this team we have right now aint goin nowhere. the only keepers are yao, scola, brooks, bonzi, landry. another thing, no elite team would have rafer alston as their starting point guard. rafer does a whole lot of nothing!
     
  14. Sephiroth

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    I am a Bonzi supporter. There's no doubt that he's a horrible defender. Deciding who's better defensively between Head's/Wells' is the whole "giant douche bag vs turd sandwich" debate.

    But we're not going to trade Bonzi. No one on the roster knows Adelman and his offense better than Bonzi. He also brings rebounding and post-up ability to the table, something no other guard on the team excels at other than maybe McGrady. Whoever said that he doesn't fit... JVG is not the coach anymore, it's Adelman. He's actually a perfect fit for RA. RA likes guards that can post up and big men that can play in the high post. Bonzi is that type of guard.

    And is everyone already going to completely ignore the fact that he's playing with an injured shoulder? Bonzi is a WARRIOR! Just because you're not hearing about his injury in the Chronicle anymore, doesn't mean he's still not dealing with it. He recently took an injection to relieve the pain. He was also playing great basketball before the injury when T-Mac was out. And whoever suggested that Bonzi is bad for the team's chemistry, that's just a simply ridiculous assertion.
     
  15. BrooksBall

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    Luther is a one-dimensional, undersized SG. We would be served well to trade him by the deadline while is value is slightly up again. We should have traded him after last season while he was overvalued. He will never reach that point again. We should cut our losses ASAP. Luther Head is not NBA material.

    Bonzi has been clumsy as hell recently but he is strong and adds another dimension to our offense when he takes the ball inside. He is a great rebounder for his position and is less of a defensive liability than Head even though he makes a lot of mental errors on that end of the court.

    The bottom line is that even with the turnovers and the defensive lapses, Bonzi is still much better than Head. Luther Head is probably one of the worst SGs in the NBA, including bench players, because of his lack of size and secondary abilities.
     
  16. BrooksBall

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    We played the Knicks twice and the Timberwolves once during that stretch. Imagine an Alston/Head backcourt against teams like Dallas, SA, Phoenix, Detroit, etc...

    They may be able to pull off one or two improbable performances against such teams, but over the long run they would get absolutely slaughtered.

    Alston is a problem, too. I go back and forth on him but when I step back and think about it, the good PGs in this league always find ways to positively impact games. Rafer has too many poor stretches when it comes down to it. We would be served well to find a PG like Andre Miller or some other upgrade and allow Brooks to mature as our backup PG. I can't ever see us doing damage in the post-season with Alston playing 35+ mpg.
     
  17. Rockets4279

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    This is what Adelman did vs San Antonio.

    Yao/Scola/Mutombo
    Landry/Hayes
    Wells/Battier
    Head/McGrady
    Alston/Brooks

    Works for me because, the ball goes into the High-Post, then you have Bonzi who is probably the best cutter on the team on the court with Yao who is the passer. Having Head on the floor with Yao and Wells is to spread the floor for the Post. This makes more sense from a coaching angle.

    Just limit their minutes is all i ask. Wells and Head should start but Battier and McGrady will have more minutes. The game is not about who starts, just how many minutes the players get with the right combinations.

    Having McGrady and Battier come off the bench is because, then Alston rest and McGrady becomes the primary playmaker now logging more minutes when Yao is on the bench, and for better ball movement. You have speed, perimeter defense, range, playmaking and hustle guys on the bench to goto. Also, you want Battier on the court with McGrady so that Tracy can use more energy on the offensive side of the court.

    Scola is taller than Landry making Scola play center, and Landry at the 4 spot. Both of these guys will create havick when we go small ball and you need McGrady and Brooks to run the show while Alston rest.

    I seriously hope Morey trades Head and James for a bigger 2 guard who can atleast attack, cut, and hit the outside jumper. Ricky Davis would be a nice piece to replace Head i think.

    Bonzi Wells is basically a 4/5 player in a 2/3 body. Head is basically a 2 player in a 1 body.
     
  18. BrooksBall

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    Not that you aren't aware of it, but it was only two seasons ago that Bonzi had a career year including an absolutely insane series against the Spurs in the playoffs.

    Plus, as you also know, that occurred while playing under Adelman. For the aforementioned reasons mentioned in my previous posts plus these additional reasons, Bonzi is clearly the way to go. Luther Head just needs to go.
     
  19. BrooksBall

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    It actually wasn't a career season for Bonzi but his best in several years. Either way, the point remains the same. Not only should be Bonzi be getting minutes over Luther, but we should try to move Head as soon as the right deal comes along.
     
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    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=193~2763~1051&teams=10~14~14&te=&cash=

    Would you do this deal? Davis would be a nice fit.

    Yao/Scola/Mutombo
    Landry/Hayes
    Davis/Battier
    Wells/McGrady
    Alston/Brooks

    Ricky would be a very nice pick up, but the question is will Miami let him go for James and Head? James has negative trade value, but Head's value is nice and would pick Mikes value up just a **** hair. I know Miami needs and is looking for a pure shooter to have on the perimeter with Wade. Not long ago they was going after Mike Miller. But the real question is would Miami want James and Head. Who knows?

    That above is the line up i want. Davis has the quickness, can run, can attack, can cut, can hit the jumper if open. This deal would upgrade the size so that Head and James dont get abused on the defensive end.

    I think Morey knows all about Davis and his real value when both was in Boston. Another expiring it would give Houston.
     

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