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HELL BENT ON DESTRUCTION

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Dec 14, 2007.

  1. Apollo Creed

    Apollo Creed Contributing Member

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    So they can read our e-mails but they don't even have to keep theirs?

    Not cool man!
     
  2. jo mama

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    or starting wars based on lies
    or crapping all over the constitution
    or illegally spying on americans
    or illegally spending $2 billion on fake news stores and buying off reporters
    or authorizing illegal torture acts
    or outing undercover cia agents working on nuclear counter proliferation
     
  3. jo mama

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    its called a double-standard you lib-pig!

    this is easily the most invasive administration and at the same time the most secretive.

    but hey, 9/11 changed things!
     
  4. basso

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    lying to a grand jury about a blow job in a sexual harrassment suit?

    the irony is, if Clinton had been convicted by the senate, Al Gore would have run in 2000 as a sitting president, and might be president today...
     
  5. danny317

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    what clinton did was wrong.

    BUT that doesnt justify the actions and events that have occured under this current administration.
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    That is correct. Clinton's was in a civil suit, and is certainly serious. The Bush administration case would be criminal laws broken dealing with a case that would go against the basic premise of accountability in our government. That deals with one of the basic ideas concerning the founding of our nation.
     
  7. basso

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    if someone has a case, they should bring it.
     
  8. pirc1

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    That's why the destroyed all the evidence lol. It is against the law to destroy those emails and other docuemnts, but who cares when your Hero is doing it?
     
  9. danny317

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    i guess we'll never know bc the administration refuses to release documents, allows staff to be interviewed, shreds documents, deletes emails.........
     
  10. basso

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    your arguement is that the shredding itself is illegal. if so, the evidence is inherent in the action, and that should be enough.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    Deleting e-mails is a crime.
     
  12. basso

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    you got it, you should bring it.
     
  13. pirc1

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    Send the server administrator to jail for two years, I am sure he had nothing better to do so he decided to delete white house emails! Get it done Ken Starr!
     
  14. danny317

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    no that isnt my argument.

    there has been far too many questionable instances that have occured during this administration. the legality is up for debate.

    but when you hear that emails, files, and tapes are missing. also the administrative branch is hindering investigations by exercising executive privilages so that the investigator cant interview someone... something is fishy.
     
  15. mc mark

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    So now we know why Fitzgerald couldn't finish the job. --

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    House missing CIA, Iraq e-mails

    By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer 29 minutes ago

    Apparent gaps in White House e-mail archives coincide with dates in late 2003 and early 2004 when the administration was struggling to deal with the CIA leak investigation and the possibility of a congressional probe into Iraq intelligence failures.

    The gaps — 473 days over a period of 20 months — are cited in a chart prepared by White House computer technicians and shared in September with the House Reform and Government Oversight Committee, which has been looking into reports of missing e-mail.

    Among the times for which e-mail may not have been archived from Vice President Dick Cheney's office are four days in early October 2003, just as a federal probe was beginning into the leak of Valerie Plame's CIA identity, an inquiry that eventually ensnared Cheney's chief of staff.

    Contents of the chart — which the White House now disputes — were disclosed Thursday by Rep. Henry Waxman, a California Democrat who chairs the House committee, as he announced plans for a Feb. 15 hearing.

    Waxman said he decided to release details from the White House-prepared chart after presidential spokesman Tony Fratto declared "we have absolutely no reason to believe that any e-mails are missing."

    Among the periods of time for which the chart indicates e-mail is missing is a five-day span starting on Jan. 29, 2004, when the White House was dealing with the possibility of an election-year probe by Congress into Iraq intelligence failures.

    Not archived by the office of the vice president is e-mail for Jan. 29-31, 2004, according to chart information released by Waxman. In addition, all e-mail from the White House Office in the Executive Office of the President was listed as missing for one of those days.

    The chart indicates that e-mail also was not archived by the White House on the following Monday — Feb. 2, 2004 — the day President Bush took a big step in averting what could have been a politically troublesome congressional inquiry. He ordered an independent investigation into intelligence failures in Iraq.

    The president conferred that day with former chief weapons inspector David Kay, declaring, "I want to know all the facts."

    The commission named by Bush reached a harsh verdict about the U.S. intelligence community's performance, but the panel stopped short of addressing the White House's use of the intelligence data to support the idea of war with Iraq.

    The White House says computer back-up tapes should contain substantially all e-mails between 2003 and 2005. However, the White House recycled backup tapes until sometime in October 2003, taping over existing data. That could mean some e-mail is gone forever if it is also missing from archives.

    An example might be any missing e-mail from Cheney's office in the early days of the CIA leak probe. The White House has not said when in October 2003 it halted the recycling of backup tapes.

    E-mails in early October 2003 could reveal key discussions between White House personnel in the week after the Justice Department opened a criminal investigation into the leak of Plame's CIA identity. The White House denied that Cheney chief of staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby or top presidential adviser Karl Rove were involved in the leak, an assertion that turned out to be false.

    "Can it be a mere coincidence that some of the missing e-mail correspond to a key period during the Valerie Plame investigation?" asked Melanie Sloan, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. "Given everything else we know, that is nearly impossible to believe."

    Her organization is one of two private advocacy groups suing the White House in the e-mail controversy.

    At issue on Oct. 1, 2003, was the push by congressional Democrats for Attorney General John Ashcroft to step aside and appoint an independent prosecutor to investigate the White House.

    Ashcroft eventually recused himself, and at the end of 2003 U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald was appointed by a Justice Department official to head the probe. Two years later, Libby was indicted, and he was later convicted of obstructing the investigation. His 30-month prison sentence was commuted by Bush. Rove was questioned by a federal grand jury five times but was never charged.

    In January 2006, shortly after Libby was indicted, a letter from Fitzgerald to Libby's lawyers was the first public disclosure that the White House was having a problem with its e-mail system.

    Fitzgerald wrote: "We have learned that not all e-mail of the Office of Vice President and the Executive Office of the President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system."

    The White House says the e-mail matter arose in October 2005 in connection with the Justice Department's CIA leak probe, in which Fitzgerald later that month obtained a grand jury indictment against Libby for perjury, obstruction and lying to the FBI.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080119...l&printer=1;_ylt=AumNsSb8TqE7dXmyZoUnKQ4Gw_IE
     
  16. mc mark

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    White House: Computer hard drives tossed

    WASHINGTON - Older White House computer hard drives have been destroyed, the White House disclosed to a federal court Friday in a controversy over millions of possibly missing e-mails from 2003 to 2005.

    The White House revealed new information about how it handles its computers in an effort to persuade a federal magistrate it would be fruitless to undertake an e-mail recovery plan that the court proposed.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080321...ouse_e_mail;_ylt=Asb5LHAk89gUyAJDNa6gdCeyFz4D
     
  17. B-Bob

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    So basso, instead of just saying "bring it, bring it," why don't you give your opinion of the administration destroying emails and now hard drives?
     
  18. UberDork

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  19. Bandwagoner

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    Dude are you kidding?
     
  20. plcmts17

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    .....you had more to say.....keep going.....Al Gore might be president today......and your thoughts on that are?......Oh, I get it. This is your only opinion on millions of e-mails being erased? what ifs. You and your brothers silence on the subject is telling enough.
     

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