I don't think JVG thought BOnzi couldn't contribute, because he certainly wanted him to do well and succeed, but BOnzi was just plain ol' fat and out of shape. It also didn't help that he got injured twice in the new year. A healthy, in-shape bonzi would have certainly helped this ball club vs Utah last year, and definitely against San Antonio.
Dennis, It is fun to read what people THINK I said versus what I really said. Being up 5 on Utah in game 7 does not mean you are a championship quality team......I said ALL LAST YEAR...that the team was not one of the elite teams and that was one of the reasons I wanted JVG to play some younger guys a little time to get them comfortable. Bonzi....do you recall the thread last year where I said... Bonzi doesn't fit? I have not been a massive Bonzi supporter ...well ever....I think if he stays within himself as a cutter and rebounder he helps...but he tries to do too much. V-Span - I think JVG did what he thought he should do, be tough on the guy, and it will make him tougher. I think it backfired with V-Span. And I really HATED how JVG made fun of him in the press, I found that totally lacking in class. Anyway....JVG is gone, let's cheer on Adelman.... DD
This coming from the same monkey who has dozens or hundreds of posts about JVG in the year 2008 alone - and certainly more than anyone in this thread.
nice! thats what i was thinking too! JVG's here...lets hate on him...adelman here...lets cheer him on. If it didnt make me laugh i'd be flaming him.
And typical Sam Fisher, calling others names, when Luther CLEARLY got more PT because of injuries.... (Derek Anderson, Wesley, Tmac).... I figured once JVG was let go, Sam Fisher would be gone, as his joining Clutch Fans corresponded with JVG's hiring and he is from NY.....member of the Gundy Family, Sam?...... Here is a quiz question for you Sam (Which all true Rocket fans should know), other than Hakeem which Rocket player blocked Kareem Abdul Jabbar's sky hook? Monkey - LOL - what a classless jerk. And if Adelman fails as bad as JVG, I will be all in favor of running him out of town too....but he deserves the same shot as Van Gundy got.
Here are some examples of DaDakota repeating the lie that Luther Head only played due to injuries - a lie that ignores the fact that Luther was logging 20 or more minutes a night during several of his first NBA games, back when there were no injuries whatsoever. Repeat ad nauseum. I There are several other earlier examples of DD repeating this lie, they are in this search, mostly. I don't feel like typing the rest. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/search.php?searchid=83283 Now here is DaDakota backpedaling making a disingenous, post-hoc argument - that needs no explanation: ...and he wonders why people treat him like an idiot...SHEESH! Dadakota - three choices for you: Take your own advice and put me on the ignore list - or stop lying and making silly arguments - or don't stop and just stop whining like a b**** when you get busted like above SHEESH SHEESH SHEESH
I found this old post hilarious btw: PING PONG http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=51649&highlight=head+injuries
What does that prove? Absolutely nothing. Heck yes, I wanted Rudy fired ...because Francis and Mobley were not disciplined enough and they needed more discipline on THAT TEAM. This is a different situation entirely. If anything it proves that my loyalties are completely behind the team no matter who is there. Now that being said, Rudy would be perfect for THIS team...times change, situations change, and needs change. Unfortunatly you have a hard time figuring that out.....THIS IS A DIFFERENT TEAM SAM......so the situation changes...and cue your little hanger ons coming in with the...HAH !...Yes......That is it.....when it is completly NOT it at all. Get it? Got it? Good. As for luther....uh...yes...all those posts say the same thing........pretty consistent to me....You post something that says busted, and you didnt BUST anything..... DD
It proves hilarious. SHEESH Yes you consistently repeated the falsehood that Luther only played because of injuries incessantly, in spite of its falsity. SHEESH
Ok, prove that there were no injuries to Tmac, Keith Bogans, and Derek Anderson that opened up additional opportunities for him to play. Luther got significantly more PT because of injuries....that is a fact. Whether you choose to ignore it or not. Does that mean he got ZERO time...nope, I do concede that JVG played him early when other players were struggling. And, where is the answer to my question posed above about blocking Kareem's sky hook? Or are you a Johnny come lately that joined because of JVG, get off his nutsack and join the real Rockets fans and cheer on Adelman...... Or are you even a Rockets fan at all? DD
^LOL I don't need to explain anything about Head - the truth is that he played early and often, prior to any injuries. This renders any one of your dozens of statements to the contrary as false. As far as who's a bigger rocket fan, this reminds me of whenever George W. Bush or the Republicans or whatever are losing a political argument and they play the "you don't support the troops, you support the terrorists, with us or against us" card - it means you're out of bullets. HOwever it's clear that your love of the rockets runs a very distant second to the love of your own fabled basketball genius. Thanks for sharing SHEESH
I see, so you can't answer the question, and are not really that much of a Rocket's fan. Just a proven JVGOF. Got it. Thanks..... As for the answer to the question that Sam (JVGOF -can't answer). Bill Willoughby DD
I have been religiously watching the Rockets since 91 or so...but don't know which other rockets player blocked Kareem. So I guess i'm not a fan? Sam Fisher and DonkeyMagic, Thanks that was very entertaining.
Okay, I am going to stay out of the DD/SamFisher slugfest, but I have to put the "Luther only played b/c of injuries" b.s. to rest (and tons of people say that, not just you, DD) Rookie Season of Luther Head: Game 2: 13:25 Game 3: 14:38 Game 4: 12:46 Now, once it is proven that Luther actually got PT from the get-go, posters inevitably start saying that he didn't get SIGNIFICANT minutes until the rash of injuries occurred. However, before I prove that theory incorrect as well, I would like to point out that averaging 6-7 minutes PER HALF is hardly garbage time, especially for a late first round draft pick. Luther's first game when he played over 20 minutes: Game 5 Box Score Please note that TMac, Anderson, Wesley AND Barry all were healthy and played. Oops, looks like Luther was playing with them healthy. Moving on... Game 6 Box Score Once again, TMac, Anderson, Wesley, and Barry all played. I rest my case. Luther played from the get go, and got significant minutes right away without the 2 guard spot being thin, and therefore was developed and played regularly by JVG prior to any injuries to other 2 guards. Now all of you, please stop using that Luther excuse.
DD- I like you because you are a good Rocket fan and I like your posts. These are difficult times in ClutchCity. First of all I know someone, a close friend who doesn't see it the way you have stated it about JVG and management. This person is IN management. Second, I spent over an hour asking JVG any question I wanted about the team and I felt he answered the questions very honestly (to a fault). Nothing held back. That one meeting changed my mind completely about JVG and I understand completely why players (good players) love playing for him. I would say he is over the top in BB IQ, has great leadership skill, has an outstanding personality in private, and I think he would be a tremendous motivator (just my opinion- he didn't motivate me when we talked) Third, I had lunch with Adelman and talked Rockets with him for about 15 minutes. He was nice answered two questions I was allowed to ask in the short time he had (many others were at the luncheon and pressing for his attention) I think he is a good coach, nice laid back fellow who I am sure has more basketball knowledge in his little finger than I do. But I will say that his answers were shallow and like a press release comparing the Q&A I had with JVG. And that doesn't mean anything at all except that I do know they are very different. Fourth, I did not want JVG fired because he is a great coach, he needed more time and talent and we were going in the right direction for the TMac Yao combo. (You probably remember how when he had Sura, Barry and Wesley at guard that they ran Phoenix out of the arena, they ran the break better than Nash and that was a game in Phoenix- The team ran the break very effectively under Van Gundy when Sura and TMac were healthy- When Sura went down the Rockets lost something very special and Van Gundy was trying to recapture it.) Fifth- ""You never know what's going on with somebody else's organization," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. "But I do know he's a helluva coach and anybody would be lucky to have him as their coach." Suns coach Mike D'Antoni had a question of his own. "The guy almost won coach of the year, didn't he?" D'Antoni said of Van Gundy, who finished fourth in the balloting. "That's tough. I hate it for any coach. But he's one of the best coaches that I know. It's just too bad. That's our wacky business, isn't it?" I have heard former players, TMac, Yao and other coaches discuss Van Gundy as a coach, I am not hearing you to well through what they have said. EDIT--- DD, And BTW I want Adelman to succeed badly. I am not against Adelman at all, I am against us losing and not taking another step to a championship THIS SEASON. I do not have confidence that we are getting closer to winning it all. I think this team must rebuild for Adelman to succeed and that is no guarantee it will happen in the TMac/Yao era. Brooks and Scola seem to be some good young pieces. Landry might become something. But those guys are going to take time. And we might be needing another franchise player by the time they are ready to be starters on a championship team. This is the question I ask myself. Can this roster win it all this season? No? Then what will it take to win it all. I think that is the question Morey and Adelman are trying to answer also and I don't think they are looking to contend in the near future unless Morey rapes another team in a trade. The team has adjusted the offense to more of a half court game, they are feeding Yao more in the post and that really encourages me, but they have lost leadership, chemistry and defensive intensity. I do believe that Van Gundy would have produced a better record and a better chance at the finals if he had remained and he had Scola and another PG to back up Rafer. But I will support the team, I will support Adelman also, but because I love the Rockets I will also gripe, complain and get depressed from time to time.
