How can fans protest officiating at games to make impression on league office?

clear to a Rockets fan, maybe... but every Magic fan and announcer thought otherwise... even the game recap started with the controversial call...

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clear to rocket fans and any impartial fan as well.....the point is the correct call was made according to the stated rules......i respect you as a poster and all, but frankly who the f#$k cares what magic fans and announcers were saying.....the bottomline and the only line that matters is that the correct call was made.....and for you to reply in this thread that this instance qualified as a game gift-wrapped by the referees to the rockets is just plain incorrect - end of story.

the calls and non-calls yao is subject to game-in and game-out are clearly in violation of the stated rules......if you put some fresh clay on his back every nite you could forge an imprint of both hands from his defender complete with fingerprints, fingernail digs, maybe even all the lines necessary for a proper palm reading.......

 

its not so clear cut, is it, pippendagimp? pause the video at the 21 second or 22 second mark and you will see the ball had left Foyle's hands before the red light went off...

it is not bottom-line anything: the Rockets got lucky , period.

and it does matter what other teams fans and announcers think, its not just the Rockets getting the calls and the non-calls. Orlando, with Howard as their big man, is probably the best example, the next being Miami.

both teams, along with the Rockets, argue that their big men do not get the same treatment as other teams... and what do they do about it? they file complaints with the league and get to play the last 51 seconds of basketball games that get called incorrectly.


this is not a conspiracy against Yao Ming and the Houston Rockets

 

let me try and understand your logic. after reviewing the replay for several minutes, you feel that the officiating crew gift-wrapped that game to rockets and the rockets just got lucky? and what is the reason for this officiating crew having done that.......i mean you're saying that they purposely made the wrong call in favor of the rockets, so what is your explanation for their behavior? I am certain that you are going to provide an accurate answer for this since you are already certain that no conspiracy exists against yao......I await your inside knowledge/wisdumb...

 

Just stop complaining. Yao definitely gets a raw deal and it pi$$es me off too nothing will be done about it no matter what we do. Dictator Stern does not care about the real fans or even the players. All he cares about is $$$ and the average (real) fan in average-priced seats who makes an average salary isn't who he is targetting. He doesn't care about the integrity of the game or he would have stepped down when he was made to look like the fool he is when the Donaughey scandal broke.

The only thing that will be accomplished by any demonstrations of our frustration is that we will be labeled whiners by the other teams and we will get on the bad side of Emperor Stern.

 

i am saying the refs made a mistake. NBA players miss jumpers, NBA refs miss calls. there's not much else going on here... there is no "reason" for this kind of "behavior"

did you watch the video again? do me a favor and press pause at the 22 second mark and tell me what you see...

it shows the Rockets benefiting from a call going their way.
it happens every night in every NBA game

and by your logic, who the f@$k cares what Rockets fans and their announcers think?

STOP THE HOMERISM!!!

 

I have reviewed the video of the play many times and as far as I'm concerned, his fingers are still touching the ball when time expires - and no part of the player's body can be in contact with the ball at this time.

But regardless, this is all a mute point to me because going back to the way Yao is officiated every possession of every game - any other player and Dwight Howard would have fouled out of that game in the first half anyways.

And I know you've already mentioned that all the big centers in the league are getting shafted these days, but just focusing on that one game for a moment.....there is no way that DH consistenly pushes any other player in the league out of the paint with both hands on every possession without a ton of fouls having been called against him. He did foul out at the end of the 4th quarter in that game, but if you go not just by what the stated rules are but by how 99% of the other players in the league are officiated on offense - there is no way DH would have gotten away with what he was doing against any other player in the league. Only Yao is allowed to be roughed up in this manner. And you can contend that Shaq went through hell getting beat up in the paint as well, but on the flipside he also dished out just as many offensive fouls with being called for them. Yao on the other hand is clearly held to a double standard in this regard. If he even thinks about dipping his shoulder on offense he is immediately whistled for it.

If this is some sort of conspiracy or whatever, I am not sure. But it's plain as day that Yao is not officiated 1) according to the stated rules or 2) in the same manner as his peers.

 

Here are just a couple of "fouls."

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How about wearing ref striped shirts and blowing a whistle when there is a bad calll against Yao 50 whistles and a section full of jerseys should bring some attention even if for one night. Perfect time would be "guys night out" we hand out striped shirts instead of drexler mini jerseys.

 

This whole last second call debacle is a red herring. Okay, let's assume that the refs gave us that last second call... fine. Did you watch the rest of the game? I was PERSONALLY at the game and people were running into Yao and getting calls. Yao was 1 foot away from a Magic player and got called for the foul.

I always see 2 bad calls on Yao per game. I mean, fine, the refs aren't the most consistent in the world, but the only thing consistent about the refs is their officiating on Yao. It is consistent... CONSISTENTLY BAD!

 

Yao just needs to bust someones lip to get the point across to the NBA that he is not going to take it anymore.

 

someone from china explain to me how in the world you see racism affecting Yao's officiating.

of course we've had Americans in sports make comments about asians with racist overtones from shaq to chuck barkley to Roger Clemens but I've yet to see any proof that any NBA ref cares about race

I find it ironic that Shaq can make straight up "ching-chong" comments and the chinese kiss his ass and give him a sneaker deal (because he's famous)

meanwhile anonymous refs doing their jobs are part of this leaguewide conspiracy against china. does that even make sense? the league spent millions to promote yao and a return on that investment hinges on him being a superstar in the league. do you think stern of all people would throw money away with one hand and screw himself with the other?

like everyone I see blown calls on Yao all the time, but if you open your eyes you'll see its endemic all over the league. the level of officiating is the worst by far in major sports and you see terrible calls every single game. the way they officiate some dudes like kobe and lebron is borderline "sports entertainment" a la WWE rather than a real sport.

and no, there's nothing we fans can "do about it" because that kind of shoddy officiating based on personality grew this league from a greyhound-bus from city-to-city operation into the 2nd most popular sports league in the world

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/02/sports/basketball/02refs.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

 

If the league allowed the home fans to influence the officiating directly, they would be screwed. Actually, I am not sure if I, as a fan, want that to happen. That would skew the home court advantage to out of control. Th game would be unwatchably unfair.

That said, I wish the NBA would let the fans do some kind of voting on the referees, similar to the Allstar vote, only in reverse. It would be cool if we can vote for the worst refs. And the "top 3" would get a suspension or something. But I know it will never happen.

 

Sometimes I think the Rox will never win with Yao simply because of the cockeyed refs.

 

stop going to the games and from a picket line outside the toyota center????

 

Someone should register a site in China and publish all the videos of missed calls on Yao and call for boycotte of NBA products in China. Oh and have a million signature movement!

 

The most effective thing would be:

- find out in advance the name of the referees if possible, if not, text message from a friend would do

- Chant the name of the refs loudly, trust me, when people call you out by name, you listen and think about what you are doing.

 

As expected, some posters use that magic game as the case trying to make for a case that "in a long run, calls tend to even out".

The problem is, whether that last-second tip-in is good or not is highly debatable and honestly one may watch that clip frame-by-frame for 30 times and still can't come up with something conclusive (and different people watching that will give you different views).

But over 80% of bad calls and bad non-calls vs Yao are definitely, absolutely, conclusively BAD. Those ridiculous "blocking foul" call on Yao when Howard charged into his back, phantom call when Gasol was a few feet away from Yao, or the back-to-back non-calls on the hacking on Yao's arm are too obvious to over 95% of viewers. True, humans make stupid mistakes, and refs are human beings (I guess). But these crxps should only happen to a player probably once in a season, while Yao received them basically every other game. I'd say this is statistically very significant and it means a systemic bias against him. Problem is, this not only hurts Yao, it also hurts Rox as a team and all Rox fans. I don't even want to go that far to play the race card (which I believe there is actually something fishy)

 

Pippen,

across110thstreet likes to argue silly points to death. Save yourself. He never relents no matter how sound your logic is.

I'd buy the argument that Orlando got screwed if the Ref's didn't review instant replay. But all three of them reviewed it and made their conclusion with the benefit of HiDef ...not some crappy internet feed. As a result, I gotta beleive they made an informed decision.

At best, the play was inconclusive. Normally in such situations, an inconclusive video can not overturn the call. What was odd was that the refs didn't make a call at all ...they went straight to the video. As a result then, perhaps their call was to leave everything as is ...thereby not granting the two points.

I wouldn't say Orlando got screwed. I think in the history of the NBA, that particular situation had never occured before ...where a call was so close that even instant replay couldn't resolve it.

But the way Yao gets hacked, it is VERY CLEAR by instant replay that he routinely gets about one crappy offensive foul called on him.