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Start Scola, Landry as backup, What about Chuck?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by yobod, Jan 12, 2008.

  1. Furious Jam

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    At a minimum, either Battier or Hayes should be coming off the bench - we just don't have enough firepower with both of them on the court.

    Frankly, I don't understand the attachment to Chuck. Scola is the defacto starter - he gets more minutes. Landry seems to have a lot more upside than Chuck. Is Chuck that much better than Landry right now? I don't believe so. Landry isn't some 19 year-old straight out of junior college. I think he's ready now.
     
  2. Angkor Wat

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    lol, here goes the "Clutchfans' All It Takes is One Game Theory". Landry has one good game against the worst team in the NBA. I don't think a one game performance is enough to get you into the rotation, and take the starter out of the rotation. Anyways, I'm just glad that the fans are here typing instead of running a team. :D
     
  3. solid

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    Seemed clear to me the first time. We have too many in the starting lineup. Rafer, Battier, Hayes, and Head are all "glue" guys. I have this feeling that Rafer's magical run is about to play out and he will return to bricksville. Battier is, has been, and will likely always be a defensive presence only. Hayes is a decent defender and rebounder, and Head is a spot up shooter only. Too many offensive liabilities, allowing teams to load up on Yao or Tmac. I would love to be in the opposing team's conferences planning how to defend the Rockets.

    "O.K., Rafer is a career 30 something percent shooter, and he can't even finish a drive. Currently on one of his mini-hot streaks, so worth a look now, but generally, don't worry about him. Leave Hayes open, he can't score. Battier is no real threat, doesn't shoot much anyway. So, basically, we double both Yao and TMac. That should do it."
     
  4. mag

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    Don't you see Yao being doubled every time we are on offense? That is a problem we face every game. Yao can be alot more effective if we could play 5 on 5 most of the game instead of 4 on 5.
     
  5. pippendagimp

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    Hayes can't even be used in the 4th quarter because teams will just start fouling him to watch him attempt freebricks
     
  6. jebustheomlet

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    haha damn thats really good...even though i do not agree.

    right now's rotation is perfect. hayes in for the beginning, wears down opposing players. then, we get scola off the bench with his superb energy and talent, then maybe landry, at select times, to share the minutes.

    to the poster who commented on hayes in hte 4th quarter...exactly! we will not need to have hayes on at that time, with his offensive deficiencies...thats why we have scola to finish games. we have a good rotation right now, and adleman is smart enough to utilize each players strengths at the appropriate times.
     
  7. vj23k

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    We can't trade Chuck right now. First, he is a starter...you don't go trading people with his kind of heart away on a whim. Second, what would you really get for Chucl Hayes. Everyone sees him as just that hustle guy that can always be signed away from NBDL. They don't see he is actually an excellent post defender, moves well without the ball, etc...

    That said, I'd really like to see Chuck add some sort of shot to his game. Developing range out to 15 feet isn't too much to ask.
     
  8. poprocks

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    Check is Reggie Evans without the nut grabbin.
     
  9. Ziggy

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    We will be fine with McGrady out there. And Yao has to learn to destroy those doubles with some assertive quick decisions. Hopefully he learns.

    Scola+Yao=too many turnovers (at least at this point)
     
  10. liberty

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    Welcome back! Mr. Van Gandi. We will be fine with MacGrady out there? No, it would only be the same team we had last year.
     
  11. BMoney

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    Hayes is one of the best defensive players in the league. He'll be in the rotation.
     
  12. clos4life

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    Chuck does so many little things people don't notice. Great rebounding, good post defense, quick and strong, plays smart, energetic, takes charges. His only flaw is offensive game which is horrendous, but chuck has helped us win many a game with his intangibles. Scouts around the league rave about the things he does for the team and Yao specifically.

    And you guys want to replace him with a rookie that received time off the bench because we were up by 30+ before halftime? Against the worst team in the league?

    I like Landry as much as anyone else, but if he hadn't done what he did last night he would just not be a NBA player. I dont' look at it as much as an accomplishment as much as he is expected to play this good vs. the scrubby wolves.

    Now, Chuck does have a horrendous offensive game and Scola should be getting more and more of his minutes. But Landry? I don't think so. Really watch the game instead of the dunks, you will see where Chuck shines. Landry is still raw, you could see that last night.

    That being said, it was fun to see him tear it up against the scrubs.
     
  13. foo82

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    You think everyone just stands around on the court and watches? There is a reason its called motion offense. Hayes is easily one of the best at setting picks for the Rockets. You may not think this is important, but it creates tons of openings. The picks he set isn't just for the people with the ball, its for people moving without the ball as well. This creates a lot of opportunities for cuts to the basket.

    If Hayes were truly a huge liability on offense like everyone says he is, you would see our offense improving dramatically whenever he is off the court...yet you never see that? WHY IS THAT?
     
  14. rocket3forlife2

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    we need to keep all three.......bring cola in as a back up center and landry in at back up pf


    no one on our team can guard the quick bigs like boozer,brand,k.g like chuck can....I really don't think chuck gets enough credit.
     
  15. thumbs

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    It does. Look at how the bench outscored the Wolves' bench last night. Scola is very capable of putting up 20 or more points as well as setting picks. So why wouldn't you prefer Scola? The winner is determined by points scored -- not 4 points and intangibles.
     
  16. thumbs

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    Cannot agree. Will Hayes be on the first or second all defensive team? We shall see -- but I wouldn't hold my breath.
     
  17. Kwame

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    Start Scola
    Back-up is Landry
    Hayes goes to the bench where he belongs.
     
  18. baller4life315

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    Don't you think penciling in Landry into the rotation based off of one game is slightly premature and a bit of a slap in the face to Hayes?
     
  19. matpio

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    Chuck Hayes doesn't get enough credit for everything he does. It seems like a lot of people are judging players only by the number of points they score or by their number of dunks. Sure, scoring is an important aspect of the game. But defending, rebounding, setting good picks, taking charges, cutting at the right time, fighting for every ball....are also aspects of the game, that are often overlooked. Chuck Hayes does everything you want from a power forward next to a dominant center, except having a jumper.
    I'm confortable with the idea of playing Scola and Hayes playing roughly the same amount of time. I'm sure Landry will be a good NBA player in a few years but right now Chuck and Scola are much better.
     
  20. matpio

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    Being on the first or second defensive team is just a vote by a few journalists, the same ones who gave Dirk an MVP award, or never gave Duncan a Defensive Player of the year award. Whether or not Hayes is on any of those teams doesn't change the fact that he is a great post defender.
     

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