Yeah but him simply being T-Mac would drastically improve their attendance, guaranteed. But...yeah no way Atlanta does both Josh Smith AND Joe Johnson for T-Mac. And btw...T-Mac isn't going anywhere, I don't know why so many people believe the rumors.
(I totally made this up, but I think it makes sense, and the salaries match): T-Mac, Battier, Scola for David West, Stojakovic, Morris Peterson Then our starting lineup would look like this: Rafer Peterson Peja West Yao Why we do this: ALL THREE of those guys have made careers out of hitting outside shots and moving without the ball, which is EXACTLY what we need if we want to build around Yao. Plus, David West is a beast on the boards. As far as I'm concerned, he's our ideal answer at power forward. And we'd still have a strong bench: Brooks, Head, Bonzi, Chuck, Deke. Their starting lineup would look like this: Paul McGrady Battier Scola Chandler Why they do this: They're getting more talent in return, period. T-Mac is more talented than West. Battier isn't QUITE as good as Peja on offense, but he's way better on defense. And Scola is an up-and-comer who could give them more long-term than Peterson could. Honest to god, I think this trade helps both teams. Not only that, but all players involved (ESPECIALLY T-Mac) would likely benefit from it. Can you imagine T-Mac together with Chris Paul?
I'm looking at the Hornets at the other end of the spectrum. From the wire, Byron Scott's looking for bolster the bench behind CP3 and David West. Rasual Butler is available and he could be used off the bench for some spread the floor offense. Hilton Armstrong could make for a serviceable PF/C backup for when Mutumbo falls apart, and he's got upside (former 1st round draft pick). Butler's 6'7" and Armstrong 6'10" for all 6'4" of Mike James. Financially the trade works, and we don't have to extend any contracts for a while because all 3 have the same length (2 years).
I think that we'll not make a major trade...Be we definitely need to move players who are not fit in Rick's system...James,Snyder,Francis
I'm not opposed to it, but I kinda wonder how much more Butler could give us than Snyder could if we just gave him some PT. That seems kinda redundant. But it would be very nice to have another player on the roster who can actually play center, besides Yao and AARPy.
There has been alot of speculation about the Grizzlies trading Miller. I'm not sure why, but its probably because they are looking at a big name in FA market. Given that, what do you guys think about this deal: Memphis Recieves Bonzi Snyder (Can be replaced with Head Francis or Novak or 2nd round pick (I would even consider a 1st) Memphis gets cap relief because all 3 contracts expire at the end of the year and pick. Houston Recieves Mike Miller Houston gets a consistent 2/3 who can shoot, drive, dribble and is not a tweener. And considering he's BFF with T-Mac might help both of them. I know its a long shot getting something like this from a team in the division but atleast the rational makes some sense...let the flaming begin.
Why the Rockets do it... It's basically "win now" time until Yao retires, so there is no room for rebuilding. So they have to make a move unless they want to ride out Tracy's contract and pray that he'll suddenly develop some killer instinct and at a minimum stay healthy. If they were indeed considering a trade involving Tracy, I think Redd is a prime candidate. He's a prolific shooter who doesn't need to handle the ball to score his points. In Adelman's system I envision that he could be on par with the Peja Stojakovic that was in MVP discussions in 03-04. Another reason he's a prime candidate is his contract. He's basically the same age as Tracy, makes about 75% of what Tracy makes, and has an extra year. This makes him fairly easy to trade for because it only takes one player (Simmons) to make the money work. Speaking of Simmons, he has been injured the past couple of seasons but he's back now. Maybe he won't return to his 04-05 form but if he could get close he'd be a nice piece...a possible starter. In the season I'm refering to, he put up 16 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists and 1.5 steals while shooting 47% FG's, 47% 3PT, and 85% FT in 75 games. Again, he may not return to that production, and his numbers are reflecting that this year...but look at his last 5 games...11 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 1.5 steals per. It doesn't hurt that he plays with lots of heart either. Why do the Bucks do it? They get the bonafied superstar that will create the buzz and sell the tickets. In the East, they'd have to believe that a Tracy McGrady led team could at least make the playoffs. He makes more than Redd, but his contract is a year shorter which could be attractive to a team in limbo. In Mike James the Bucks get a guy that may or may not contribute much, but whose contract is 33% less than Simmons' and isn't plagued by injuries. Therefore, he's a bit easier to move if needed. Snyder is like a r****ded Bobby Simmons, but at the very least he's a small salary dump at year's end. Bottom line: Bucks get a superstar who has the potential to carry a team into the playoffs in the East and the Rockets get a player slightly below "superstar" status who would appear to fit perfectly into Adelman's system. People are going to hate it because it involves Tracy, but whatever. I'm bored.
I decided not to start another thread and just roll with this one. This isn't a knee jerk reaction to the most recent loss either. I think they should go hard after Artest. I thought they should have done it this summer,but that another argument itself. The Rox have 4 players that I think is the core. Ming,McGrady,Brooks, and Scola. Everyone else can go. Artest is the perfect fir for this team.Martin has come back to the team and now they can make a move. He is ideal for what the rox want to do. I would start with Battier. Battier makes the salaries match, but everyone know he's a better player than Battier. They will probably have to throw in Luther which I'm all for anyway. Once they get Artest, go get Jaric. He's the ideal big guard for the rox. He's a good decision maker, ok defender and by trading Rafer, it opens the door for Brooks to start. Jaric is a 20min guy, which works out good behind brooks. Go get Swift back. I thought they gave up way too much for Shane. I never was a huge fan of Stromile, but I think this style of play really is good for him. I like Scola to start and Stro to back up scola and Yao. There will be nights and certain matchups that really benefits him. he makes mle money so James and Snyder money can do it. He's only playing 16 mins a night and is getting like 8pts and 5rebs and 1blk. coming in for scola off the bench to finish on some of those cuts would be good for the rox. Brooks and Jarric pushing tempo will help his game a lot.
Following ClutchCityReturns' format, which i find really nifty Why the Rockets do it... Jamal Crawford is a combo guard (average size for shooting guard and big for a point guard), this guy can penetrate, shoot, pass, has handles, can create for himself and others, and most importantly hes clutch. He also gives 100% every night. Will be our 2b-3rd scoring option who can shoot the lights out any given night. Acquiring him will put TMAC to the SF position. Which then raises the question of 'whose gonna play defense without Shane?' Enter Kirk Hinrich, who is also a combo guard. Hinrich is a rich man's Alston. Career wise, he's shot a good percentage, but for some reason hes doing bad this year (which i believe has to do with the chemistry in chicago) but the main focus of this trade is for his defense (he can guard the opposition's best perimeter player), and if his shooting picks up, thats a huge plus. I see him as a really attainable piece because his value is at an all time low right now. Aaron Gray is just a filler for salaries to match, but can also be our future backup center when Mutombo retires. The starting line-up would be Yao Hayes/Scola TMAC Crawford Hinrich We wouldn't need a pure pg because our wing players would all be able to contribute to the distributing role The players i see being dealt are Battier, Head, Alston, Bonzi, Snyder and probably a 2nd round pick. With the freed up space we could pick up fan and coach favorite Mike Harris We get rid of lazy, mistake-prone players to acquire hardworkers. Get it done Morey! Why the Knicks and Bulls do it? I know some people are gonna see a wall of text and be discouraged so I'm gonna put the rest as spoilers Spoiler Knicks Incoming Knicks Outgoing -Bonzi Wells -Malik Rose -Kirk Snyder -Jamal Crawford -Rafer Alston -Eddy Curry -Ben Wallace The Knicks ship out their longer contracts, helping them with the rebuilding process. All the while getting 2 expirings in Wells and Snyder, Hometown and Playground legend Skip to my Lou, who will be re-energized to be playing back home (as seen in our past games in NY); i also believe they can market him to sell more tickets. Ben Wallace is there to complement Zach Randolph with his defense. Bulls Incoming Bulls Outgoing -Luther Head -Aaron Gray -Shane Battier -Kirk Hinrich -Malik Rose -Ben Wallace -Eddy Curry With the way the Bulls' season is going a trade is imminent. They get rid of their 2 biggest contracts, also the 2 biggest underachievers this season. They get Shane Battier who is a great locker room guy (Theres been a lot of news about bad chemistry in the Bulls) who also brings good defense and 3 point shooting. Luther head will be a solid guy off the bench for them like he was for us last season. Eddy Curry will be that much needed inside presence they so desperately need which will spread the floor for the shooters. Malik Rose, although hes a bad contract, hes also a short contract. Bottom line: We get the pieces that will help us contend but our line up gets a bit thin, the Knicks get a more balanced starting 5 and expirings, the Bulls get the inside presence they need and some shooters. I think our 2nd round pick might also be required for the Bulls trade as their GM has been known for being stingy and also not taking risks.
I like this trade. I hear a rumor coming out of Milwaukee on Fox sports station That the Rockets and Bucks have been in discussions about a possible McGrady and Wells trade that would bring back Redd and Villanueva. I know Morey has shot down the rumors but any real GM who is smart would say the same.
Here is something to think about. Reasons for Houston to do it -- We get a PF-C who is the perfect backup for Yao and Scola and two first round draft picks that meet our needs (i.e., a tall, talented PG in Koponen and a tall, talented SG in Fernandez). T-Mc moves up to SF where he should play and Luther gets one last shot at being the starting SG. Mike James and perhaps SF3 can back him up until Fernandez arrives. Reasons for Portland to do it: They get rid of LaFrenz' huge contract for two expiring contracts and a solid, veteran SF who gives them leadership and stability despite sacrificing two players with potential. Trouble is, they have no more room for any more youngsters. Bonzi Wells 6-5 SG / SF from Ball State 9.9 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.3 minutes Kirk Snyder 6-6 SG from Nevada-Reno 3.8 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 9.0 minutes Shane Battier 6-8 SF from Duke 8.4 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 35.5 minutes for Rudy Fernandez 0-0 from No games yet played in 2007/08 Petteri Koponen 0-0 from No games yet played in 2007/08 Raef LaFrentz 6-11 PF / C from Kansas 1.9 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 7.9 minutes
Here is a trade I could see the teams doing and would work. But I wouldnt do it. Just bored... Seriously I am not advocating this. Just bored! Nets get -------- Shaq Rafer Alston Miami Heat 1st Rd pick unprotected (Rose, Beasley, Gordon, Mayo, Love, Jordan, Hibbert,etc) Houston Rockets 2nd Rd pick Rockets get ------------ Jason Kidd Nets 1st Rd pick Miami gets ---------- Mike James Tracy McGrady
Well, Morey is under the gun right now. Either he makes a move or Rox call it a season. With Mac back, the team wasnt much better with him anyway. If Rox cant get this going, the season is done, cant keep sitting on your hands hoping Tmac will rescue us.
U might be able to talk them into taking shane instead of tmac ron doesn't make a whole lot of money. this is what i propose and the reason it might work is because they are trying to dump kenny's contract plus they know that ron isn't going to be there next year. now that is where our gamble comes in at the end of the year we may be stuck with only kenny thomas bad contract also we aren't sure if ron will resign with us. james would be there replacement once they move bibby to clevland or the heat whichever it is they would now have a temporary replacement that is cheaper for 3 yrs. our line up rafer/brooks/francis tmac/bonzi/francis ron/bonzi scola/hayes yao/landry Sacramento Kings Incoming Players Kirk Snyder Salary: $2,358,433 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 3.8 REB: 1.3 AST: 0.9 PER: 15.02 Shane Battier Salary: $5,883,600 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 8.4 REB: 4.9 AST: 1.8 PER: 10.92 Mike James Salary: $5,826,893 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 7.3 REB: 1.7 AST: 1.8 PER: 10.51 Outgoing Players: Kenny Thomas, Ron ArtestHouston Rockets Incoming Players Kenny Thomas Salary: $7,875,000 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 1.4 REB: 2.7 AST: 0.6 PER: 2.74 Ron Artest Salary: $7,400,000 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 19.1 REB: 6.1 AST: 4.3 PER: 17.20 Outgoing Players: Kirk Snyder, Shane Battier, Mike James you will not loose any defense in trading shane away after this year you just eat 2 years on kenny thomas contract also you give mike james contract away so why wouldn't you do this
What's crazy is the board seems to prefer Hayes to a player like Junkyard Dawg. Kenny Thomas was the original Hayes -- although he is slightly bigger and has a lot more offense. True, Thomas makes more than he is worth, but if we had to take him in a Battier/James trade to get Artest, I'd be happy, especially if he replaced Hayes behind Scola.
kevin martin + john salmons + cap throw in for mcgrady + cap throw in i doubt sac town is willing to part w/ kevin martin.
