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  1. cjstukenholtz

    cjstukenholtz Member

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    A thread like this one never would crop up during JVG's tenure with the Rockets when T-Mac was out with an injury. The reason is that JVG never could get the team to jell with T-Mac out of the lineup.

    I know that it's early to draw conclusions, but can we just say that so far, RA has done a better job with this team with T-Mac out of the lineup than what we saw from JVG?

    Since the team is doing rather well now with T-Mac out of the lineup, or the offense seems to flow better without T-Mac in the game (this is under RA), now there's heated debate as to whether or not to trade him away.

    I know that most of the games are against mostly bad teams, but I do know that two years ago, the Rockets without T-Mac would probably had lost such games like those they have won during this 6-2 stretch.
     
  2. Sextuple Double

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    Just another example of why fans aren't GMs.
     
  3. Laoyi

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    Right, T-Mac led that 7 wins, and his teammates for the one loss :D .
     
  4. Uprising

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    I think t-mac's injury was definitely a blessing in disguise, but his return is also a big blessing because there's no way we can compete with the elite teams without him.

    the players aren't sending hints because they don't need to. The evidence on the floor is clear for everyone to see. Adelman's offense works. T-mac will by into it.

    But that doesn't mean you'll see tmac iso'ing anymore, you will see it, you'll see a hybrid more likely because t-mac one on one is a devastating scorer, and the whol epoint of this offense is to put him in those situations.
     
  6. durvasa

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    Are we assuming that T-mac and Rafer all both playing, and healthy? Then sure they could have gone 6-2. Perhaps even 8-0. The schedule has lightened up, and we're taking advantage.

    People shouldn't delude themselves into thinking we're better off replacing McGrady with Luther/Bonzi in the rotation. That's just nuts.
     
  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Oh, come on....Tmac is PART of the team...but the fact that Rick Adelman is making the team better is what it is all about.

    The reason they went 20-12 last year without Yao is because not much changed while Yao was out, TMac still dominated the ball.

    And the reason they are 6-2 without Tmac in the last 8 games is that they are playing a TEAM ORIENTED game...

    Teams win...we tried the JVG and TMac method.....we got 4 years of "just about" basketball.

    Time to put the ball in the teams hands rather than one player.....who has not gotten out of the first round in 11 FRICKEN years.

    DD
     
  8. oneonepyopyo

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    agree with the first part. Yeah, T-mac is a power of destruction sometimes. But apprently, that is not gonna work when he become obstinate at shooting. Please fit in first.
     
  9. desperado_le

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    first of all,it's not a reply,i wanna to post a new thread,but my Account number is not allowed to start a new thead,so i hope anyone can copy it and start a new thread if you can, thanks a lot and sorry for my poor english.

    i am a university student in Shanghai,there is a radio program(some visiter or reporter talk about sports news together) in afternoon,today,they talked about the Houston Rockets ,Yao,T-mac and so on,two of them are the Chinese reporter in Houston,they return China recently,for they knew a lot of information about the Rockets(what we don't know) and they think it's a Chinese radio program so they can talk everything they know and not afraid of making troubles.

    1.Yao and T-mac have a good relation,at least,not bad(the meaning of "not bad" in Chinese is better than it in English) .

    2.it's always a T-mac's team not a Yao's team from VGD to now.

    3.they thought Yao and T-mac are two different men for their different culture ,for Yao,he is a diligent guy and his best aim is to try his best to play ,reach the crest he can reach,to win a championship by his hard work,end his NBA life with a good achievement;T-mac is also a good guy,but he don't care that like Yao,of course he wants to win,if not ,that's doesn't matter,he can make a lot of money and enjoy his life ,it will be good too.(i am a fans of t-mac,not a YOF,the above not my viewpoint)

    4.though rockets make a 6-2,they think the key is role players just like rafer scola, and weak competitors also help Rockets.

    5.they feel that t-mac is unhappy and feel pressure now.

    6.they think we should not tread T-mac,and it's difficult to tread t-mac for his big $20,000,000/year.

    7.the Frances wants to be NO.1 of this team at the beginning of return,t-mac went to Adelman and told him,if he played,i don't .(it's a hearsay)

    8.t-mac will not change himself to adapt to the team,but we still need him.

    that's all,maybe someone can translate it better,i just want to share it with you.
     
  10. SuperMarioBro

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    Don't worry, bratna, you are wrong.
     
  11. Nitro1118

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    Actually the team as a whole got faster (moreso defensively), and T-Mac was able to get more freedom as a scorer and has more plays ran for him to get the ball in good positions to score.

    You are right, they have been playing a more team oriented game, but based on the last few games which T-Mc played, this newfound chemistry has been on the edge of success even before T-Mac's injury. I attribute it mostly to the multiple 3-5 day breaks between games since December, which has given the team a lot more time to practice this brand new offense. In November, they did not have this time to practice, and thus Adelman used a lot of JVG sets to ease them into it. Ever since early-mid December the offense has looked more and more like what we expected, even if they haven't delivered 100+ points every night.
     
  12. v3.0

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    TMac still going to be option #1a

    The ball will go through him and Yao depending how teams will play them, let's not kid ourselves

    the system is there to fall back on for the other players

    but here we go with the common fan pouting thinking he knows best, there's a difference between being an idealistic fan and a knowledgeable one

    Do you really think TMac is going to be just another "cog" in the Adelman system?

    Are you friggin' kidding me? Who's being stupid/naive here? (hint, he likes VMac alot)

    and another reason we are 6-2 without TMac is WE ARE PLAYING CRAPPY TEAMS...you reall think we'd be 6-2 if we played the Suns, Lakers, Utah, Hornets in that stretch?

    these stretch of games are a good learning time for the other players, they are not statement games that we have arrived.
     
  13. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    No doubt about it. There is a huge difference.

    No way, I think Tmac makes the team that much better, he and Yao will always be the best options but having the offense FLOW through all the players makes everyone a threat and therefore the team better.

    Yes the competition matters, no doubt, but so does building confidence.

    And NEWSFLASH...they played crappy teams without Tmac for the last 4 years and stunk....You know why? Because the offense ran primarily through him and when he was out, it really stagnated.

    Now, not so much...YOU KNOW WHY? Because they play a team oriented game...

    Which makes the TEAM better overall.......

    Why do I bother? It is like trying to teach a driveway player how to play the pick and roll.

    :rolleyes:

    DD
     
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    This really sums it all up

    Does anyone remember when we started 6-1? T-mac was allowed to play his game all with no slack from the rest of the team. Check out the Lakers. Kobe can "be himself" without worrying that the team will just rely solely on him on the offense. That's what we saw during the first 7 games this season.

    The poor play is only due to sloppy execution of Adleman's offense, as seen before the injury. Is the injury a blessing in disguise? I honestly believe it is. Does it mean Tmac is the problem? Absolutely not, the problem was conditioning the team to Adleman's offense while giving Tracy his share of shots. This also means that the team would've had the opportunity to improve on the offense if Yao had been the one injured, since that too would have given the rest of the team more offensive responsibility.

    The team will only be better once we intertwine Tmac's court vision and scoring ability into this potent offense.

    It'll take time for it all to work out and mesh as it does in Adleman's vision, but Tmac is an essential part to this team.
     
  15. v3.0

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    wait, don't you have to have knowledge about something before you teach it? it's an understatement to say that you're underqualified... :rolleyes:
     
  16. oneonepyopyo

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    I guess you simply didnot watch those games.
     
  17. durvasa

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    I downplayed the wins over the Magic and the Knicks at home earlier, but 6-2 record without T-Mac is better than I would have ever expected. We're winning games we're supposed to win, but the fact we're able to do so consistently is a good sign.
     
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    Look at the quality of the teams that we beat in this stretch. It was a good run, but let's not get carried away.

    We need TMac on this team to compete with the elite. Without TMac we just don't have enough talent.
     
  19. Jonhty

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    please refer to last year's stretch when yao's injured and tmac carried the team. your answer doesn't have any enough facts to back it up.

    those players would defer to tmac because they should. at the end of day, tmac > those scrubs. it doesn't matter if we can get the same out of them because we will get more out of tmac.
     
  20. Spacemoth

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    I almost agree. I think we beat Boston with T-Mac to get us one down-the-stretch score when we couldn't buy a bucket in the 4th. But I think we lose Orlando because with 4 seconds left instead of a Rafer lay-up we get a T-Mac 22footer that clangs out. The other wins are all against scrub teams and weren't close. We might have gone 5-3 if Yao had been out too.
     

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