i couldn't agree more to this thread. i've never been sold on a jump shooting big man that's turnover prone such as Yao. it was clear and evident that we were building around the wrong guy in the Jazz series. Yao can't carry a team. He's simply not good enough. He can get you great numbers, but he has no impact on a game. There is not a drop off in scoring when he's not in the game.
God you guys crack me up! I think the verdict is just about in on Yao and yes we over hyped him in Houston. We thought he would be Dream v.2 and he's just not ever going to be that good. His limitations are not going to go away and like many posters here have stated he has to be surrounded by as many dead eye shooters as possible. Even if we find those shooters his tendency to get stripped and shut down by midgets who front him will not go away. He's almost a victim of being to tall because shorter guys can get under his center of gravity and contol him better than he can use his bulk to push them out of the paint. On the bright side his limited stamina has improved beyond expectations.
Most of the fault does lie with the fans. I cringed everytime I heard, "Yao is the best C in the NBA". It was probably true, but his limitations were still so glaring. Yao is a great player, one of the best in the league, however, he's just not good enough to build a team around, and he'll never lead a team to victory.
Except Tim Duncan is a great rebounder and scorer. He doesn't have to do everything for his team to win though, so he doesn't.
I agree he's a great 2nd option to have but his limitations keep him from being the number 1 option. One thing to remember is one of his greatest limitations are the Refs and how they call the game when he's in. The defenders beat the crap out of him hook and grab him and no foul is called yet when he plays defense they blow the whistle on Yao like he's a scrub off the bench. Until the NBA figures out a way to call the game fairly Yao will be a handicapped player. The rules for guards in my opinion must be brought back to reality for the big men to have a real chance to compete, so Yao is not totally to blame.
When the team have a player that demand double every single time, from every team in the league, you got to build around that player. This is what Yao Ming brings to the table, a giant of 7"6 that very presence in the court changes everything. The only problem with him is that because of his huge frame, speed will be an issue. Because of that, you see people saying that yao is the very problem that cause the rox to lose to teams like suns and GS. Which to me is laughable. The inability of the rox to defend the 3p line is the reason we lost to suns and GS. Not because Yao could not defend the paint. Back to his pros, when a player gets double team even before he gets the ball, if the other 4 players could not score on 3 players, its never the fault of the dude that got double. When the best players of the team are unselfish and willing to let the team mates do the scoring, it became a problem when those 2 players are the one actually doing all the scoring. As you see them deferring to other players when they are the ones needed to carry the load to win the game. Thats the only reason why i did not like the tandem of Tmac and Yao on the team. Hence if Rox wants to build around Yao, they need a scoring threat other than Tmac, as i do not see it possible for the rox to get in another scorer without trading tmac, i'm all for making that 75 cents to a dollar trade for Tmac to get in 2 players that can score for you consistently, instead of relying on Tmac alone to get all the points. As we can see in the recent performances, the movement of the ball is good but there is a lack of final product as you can't expect bonzi to come-up with 20 points, rafer getting better than 50% on his shootings, battier actually shooting the ball more than 8 times a game, and scola/AB putting up a good performance everyday. The idea of the Rox management is sound, getting Mike James/SF3 and bonzi the year before to get more scoring help for Tmac and Yao. But clearly its not working, so trades have to be made.
We'll never build a team around Yao. Face the reality, Yao is not the man can lead us to championship.
Simple answer: Yao Ming does nothing great. Period. it cant get any plainer than that. He deos nothing great, therefore he cant be a great player. ＝＝＝ I'm sorry, because there isn't casual relation in your logic, so I read the reply directly.
Shaq isn't exactly burning up the league either. Know why? He's still a dominante post player but he's getting doubled and tripled all the time and when he passes out, nobdy else can make the play cept Wade. They are really missing Kapono.
I can see that u are pretty educated. And one more question, Couldnot anyone say anything they wanna share in this forum? Even some of posts considered as dumb one, but do they have rights to post their opinion? If u donot like those threads, just ignore them or fight back. But for the sake of god, please take care of your mouth, man! geeze
I'd like to know your criterion of judging a leader since you suggest Yao is not good enough, and your reason for "he'll never lead a team to victory" conclusion
I called you a hater before and I have to call you a r****ded hater now. "A great player... who'll never lead a team to victory". LOL. Can a statement be even more moronic than that?
How quickly we forgoet not long ago tony parker was a rookie,manu was a rookie off the bench, robinson was at the end avg 10ppg and tim duncan was winning a ring, I just find it hard to believe that the rox can't get so called help without trading away the best player on the team. For those that say he gets doubled and tripled obviously didn't watch utah single cover him and force mcgrady to make every play. As simple as this, no matter what game of hoops u play, a guy 7'6 shouldn't get guarded by a 6'8 guy. I don't care if its wes unseld, ben wallace, or whatever other great defender you throw out. i've never said u couldn't win with yao on this team, I said u couldn't win with him being the focal point. As I stated, he's a good player with a lot of limitations. It has nothing to do with the game, rather than the reluctance or inability to dominate every player that opposes him. Being 7'6 isn't a handicap in hoops. He needs to get stronger and the nate robinsons, ben wallace, and al harrington wouldn't even matter to him. I do think this team need more, but trading mcgrady isn't the answer. The one thing we know is the rox can win without yao, but they haven't proved they can win without tracy
This thread is exactly why sometimes I flinch at times and want Yao to be traded. The team would surely suffer. My favorite website would get ALOT better.
Last year Yao showed us all what we've been waiting for since the post Hakeem era , he was a beast last year with career averages 25+10 a game but that was all under Gundy. IMO the hiring of Adleman has just completely taken everything away from his game and Adleman does not know how to use a big man of his talent. Morey could have at least gave Thibadou a chance hell he made Yao what we saw every night...
His point is not that Yao is equal to TD. The point is that TD is not a great scorer, a great athlete, or a great passer, arguably not a great rebounded, but you never deny he is one of the greatest players of the game. The logic of OP's post is very flawed. In my opinion, TD is much better in rebounding and athleticism than Yao. Possibly Yao could become a better scorer. TD is a better passer than Yao at this point, but Yao has the potential to improve in this aspect. Overall, Yao has nothing to compare to TD at this point, but he could become a great player with not-so-great passing, rebounding, or athleticism. Don't deny that possibility too early too soon.
I think a few things are pretty obvious: He gets easily taken out of the game by people like Al Harrington fronting him. That should never happen, but it does, game after game. Yao get his 2+ blocks per game, but I don't think anyone in the NBA is afraid of challenging him, including scrubs. He's not an intimidator, he's an obstacle. People driving on him might get their shot blocked, but more likely they will draw a foul on Yao, or simply score. He has weak hands, and gets stripped a ridiculous amount of times. He also still can't seem to understand, that he should keep the ball over his head, particularly after grabbing an offensive rebound. In spite of his size, he lacks quickness and anticipation on the glass, thus he is not a dominating rebounder. In summary, he has his share of flaws, BUT if the guys he was playing with would keep playing defense, hit wide-open shots, and play with some intelligence, these flaws could be minimized. Bottom line: We need to win, and all of these criticisms will die down. We need better role players in order to win, or our current role players need to play better.
Can a fragile and no-heart T-mac still lead us forward? Also you are telling us Yao is not strong and athletic enough, so i suggest your chioice would be wilcox or curry? every coin has two sides, be objective
Don't redicule your own point by overstatement like that. If Rox has the chance to build around Lebron, TD, Kobe, Wade, KG, or Nash, they will be very happy. But besides those few players, you go with what you can get. Make your choice? You choose Amare over Yao because of his athletcism? or agent zero because of his being a great scorer. List your candidates and be realistic. In my opinion, Tmac has higher talents to be built around. Unfortunately, he is not working as hard as Yao to support this team. Yao has inadquate talent to single-handedly lead the team to win, but if he is supported by a couple of very good players, he could be very great.
