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At what point do we blow it up?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by slcrocket, Dec 27, 2007.

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  1. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    i'd give them one more year after this one. after that, tmac will be an ending contract. that's a good time to make a move.
     
  2. Yetti

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    NO THANK YOU!!! IT WOU:LD BE MUCH OF THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN :p
     
  3. tsunami

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    I don't like both Ricky D and Haslem.
     
  4. tested911

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    Clutch I want to report identity theft!! JM just read my damn mind.
     
  5. studogg

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    Where should I start? Since he's retired from playing professional basketball he's not been an assistant/coach in the NBA and the closest he's come is working with guys on their freethrows - we're not talking about 5-10 years removed from playing....closer to 25, so if this was even a remote possibility why wouldn't someone have figured this out in the past 25 years? There's absolutely no evidence that he would be good with x's and o's, good with the players, good with Morey or good with anything other than a chocolate chip cookie and a bad tailor. Les won't even bring him back as a commentator much less to head his basketball team.

    Your turn. Why on God's green earth would you even suggest his name in a coaching discussion much less try to "rally the troops" and see what anybody else thinks? Let me answer the second part of that for you....Nobody thinks its a good idea because nobody would ever think of Calvin 'freakin' Murphy to coach this or any other team that didn't consist of 4-12 year old girl baton twirlers in gaudy costumes. :eek:
     
  6. Angkor Wat

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    Honestly, If we "blow it up", get ready for another 3-4 years of "rebuilding". Our best chance is to win it is right now or in the next 2-3 years. T-Mac and Yao give us our best chances.
     
  7. pippendagimp

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    blow it up this weekend
     
  8. rterry

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    The only way to blow it up is to trade Yao and I can't fathom how we could get value in return. We could have traded Tracy in the off-season, but now we're stuck with him until his contract runs out. So the answer is no. Try and make it with the current cast. Hope that Brooks, Scola, and Landry can help us improve and that by some miracle T-Mac starts going to the hoop again. When he does that we are a good team. When he settles for jumpers we suck. It really is that simple.
     
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    We need to blow up whatever reason has caused the Rockets to play lethargic and inconsistent. Everything else will take care of itself.
     
  10. MayoRocket

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    Agreed. The lack of intensity throughout most of this month is just inexplicable. Hopefully things are changing.
     
  11. slcrocket

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    That's pretty much where I'm at.

    You can pull out examples of this kind of thing everywhere--sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The Stockton/Malone thing had been constantly working; it was the pieces around them that never quite fell into place. In the end, though, that team still didn't win a title. If my alternative to blowing up the team is to have them continually fight for second place, I don't know if that is something I want, either. Sometimes you have to roll the dice.

    I agree somewhat, but bad teams also hold onto players too long until they no longer have any value to anyone when it is clear that it's not working. I'm not saying that YET, but things sure haven't looked good the past few years.

    But we're not a GOOD team. And as far as TMac's performance declining, have you been watching our team this year? When he's been healthy, it hasn't exactly been pretty, and when he isn't, it's downright disgusting.
    And I don't know how else to say this, but while we're not at ZERO chance of contention, we're not scoring high on that scale, either.

    I think that this is the most likely ending to the story...which just sucks because I don't know if my heart can take another season and a half of what we've been getting.
     
  12. blastaway

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    Being removed from playing basketball has nothing to do with it. Teams bring in coaches all the time from analysist jobs, and he has been a very good analysist for many many years. I don't know why Les won't bring him back as an analysist since he was acquitted at his trial, but I would guess that it probably has something to do with the mindset of certain people in Texas; if you catch my drift.

    No evidence of him being able to coach is not evidence that he can't coach. People not giving him a chance in 25 years or whatever, also doesn't prove that he can't coach. It either only says that he had no interest then, or that no one gave him an opportunity. It's not saying that he had a chance and failed miserably.

    He has proven that he is good with X's and O's by his comments on both tv and radio for many many years. If you have listened to him, then you should know that. I certainly hope you are not one that thinks Matt Bullard and Jon Barry are better commentators with more insight into basketball than Calvin has been and continues to be. Matt is okay, but he basically just repeats what has already been said and is clearly told what he can and can't say, i.e. very hesistant to tell it like it really is.

    He is very good with players, current and ex and has the ability to get interviews that others on the radio for years still can't get. I have no idea what his relationship with Morey is, although I can't imagine that it would be much since he was basically gone when Morey came in power for good.

    Seeing what other's think is the whole point of a forum. Thats why I asked the question dude. How many threads do you think have been posted on here that you think are crap? I guess only you have legitimate ideas for what a post or thread can be about. Sounds like you are ego tripping to me.

    And you obviously don't know what everyone is thinking, nor do you think like everyone else; or we wouldn't be having this discussion. Get off of your high horse. Youre just another opinion in here just like all the rest of us!

    I already gave my other reasons why I think he would be a better coach than JVG was and MOST DEFINITELY BETTER THAN RICK "I AIN'T GOT NO CLUE" ADLEMAN IS! :rolleyes:

     
  13. Old Man Rock

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    Your drift is we are a bunch of rednecks. But I am hispanic and very forgiving. I also liked Murphy. That being said he was acquitted because it was his word against his daughters and he had the best lawyer. I don't know if he is guilty or not but the acquital wasn't about that. And I would add that while there wasn't enough evidence to convict him, the charges came from five daughters of Murphy's from three different mothers :eek: who were all well under 17 at the time. Yeah there's no smoking gun but that's a whole lot of serious accusations from different people who have no reason to hate Murphy all at the same time unless maybe... Well let's just say I don't know if he molested them but he did something to earn their wrath. And in my book that makes him a not so good guy.
     
  14. blastaway

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    I don't know much about the case or the particulars except that he denied them and was acquitted by a jury of peers. I would think that if five daughters of anyone said in a court of law that their father molested them, that any jury would believe their word over his and convict him. That's how people are. So I don't know about your facts and if they are accurate, but I highly doubt that is what played out in the court room.

    But you made my point, it's not about him not being qualified, it's that people like you don't like him because he has children from different women and got acquitted of charges that weren't proven. That's a shame and very biased.
    But I bet you same guys who act so perfect have slept with many a women in your day. But I guess maybe you wore a hat since you were afraid of aids or some other STD, so there is no proof. I don't think judging a man by how many kids he had with different women is fair or relevant. Many people marry, divorce, re marry, divorce again and continue; lots of them have kids from all of the relationships.

    Are you accusing him of not taking care of his kids? Have you checked your own closest and looked in your own mirror.

    Nevertheless, this is not supposed to be about his personal life, he has been convicted of no crimes. It is supposed to be about his ability to coach or not coach.

    Seems that you have forgotten that Mr. Perfect.


     
  15. BlastOff

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    I wouldda done it last offseason. Firing Van Gundy made it seem even more necessary in my opinion.

    Fast forward to today. Most game the Rockets look exactly like those in Game 7 vs the Jazz last year, the dazed deer-in-headlights where-the-hell-am-I sort of look. And where is the chemistry/team unity? Yao said it best, this is a different team.
     
  16. rofflesaurus

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    It's one thing to continually fight for second place, because at least you have hope, but we continually fight for the 4th-5th best team in the west. If we miss the playoffs this year or get knocked out in the first round (which is very likely) then blow it up. I am praying Les has the guts to trade Yao.
     
  17. A_3PO

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    Forget the personal stuff. Just listen to Murph on the radio. He's a flippin' fruitcake with several loose screws. He is very non-analytical and wants to talk more about how great he is/was than about NBA basketball.
     
  18. shipwreck

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    thank you. shut up blastaway.
     
  19. blastaway

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    I agree to forget the personal stuff about Murph.

    Have you actually listened to his show? Have you listened to him analyize the Rockets? He definitely has better analysis and understanding of this team than JVG or RA has ever articulated.

    Okay, you don't like his personality. He's too eccentric for you. He's to confident for you. And he was great, he's a freaking Hall of Famer and holds many Rockets records. So what that he likes to talk about how great he was? How does that diminish what he knows about the game?

    I would rather have a coach with a few lose screws that knew what he was doing than what we have had that isn't working. But you are entitled to your opinion...that's what this forum is for.
     
  20. blastaway

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    Thank you and you know what you can do shipwreck. Keep your problems at home out of here. I would tell you more, but you already know where to go.
     

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