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Chron: McGrady endorses offense, Adleman still believes in duo

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rocketshopeful, Dec 25, 2007.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    We will know by these next few games if the team (Tmac - cough cough) has truly bought in.....and that will set the table for the rest of the season.

    DD
     
  2. caneks

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    "The offense is fine; we were just not making shots," McGrady said. "The offense is great. Great ball movement. A lot of movement, a lot of openings where I can get easy buckets. It's great. We were just not making shots. That's all it boils down to."

    I have no idea how that was called "Great offense". I am lost, totally.
     
  3. EGYPT

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    This exactly the illnes that TMAC has. He has been living with this throughout his career, but will he be able to adjust when he is on a good team?
     
  4. SmoothOperator

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    T-mac needs to look in the mirror. He takes shots that are too difficult and shoots a low percentage. The great players shoot a higher percentage by getting to the line and making normal basketball plays. If you try to make SportsCenter on every shot, you're bound to shoot under 40%.

    Has anyone noticed that when T-mac comes off picks and takes normal jumpers he shoots much, much better?

     
  5. jerm2010

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    why wouldnt he believe in duo?
    Tmac was injured pretty much the whole road trip
     
  6. Dave_78

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    This is a great point. I think McGrady really does want to adjust and fit into the offense but he has never been able to. What is most confusing about that is he is an extremely smart, gifted player. My only guess is that it is a mental thing for him. I don't think he prepares himself mentally before games so if he does not dominate the ball he is unable to work himself into a rythm on the court. That is the only reason I can come up with for why when he is the #2 option on offense he suddenly can't make shots and plays that he makes routinely while being forced to carry teams as numero uno.
     
  7. HillBoy

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    I don't believe that was the problem - I think Tmac wasn't on board with the new offense because if run properly, it had the capacity to diminish his role in the offense as it spread the touches around to more players and his ego couldn't stand for that happening. As for him being afraid of being dealt, get real. His contract, history, lack of leadership and somewhat delicate physical condition render him nigh on untradeable right now.
     
  8. Nitro1118

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    Guys, T-mac FLOURISHES in Adelman's offense. He loves not having to be the main playmaker, loves running off ball, and loves when Adelman calls plays so he has the ball in positions to where he can both drive and shoot, which is what you saw before Adelman decided to use last year's set plays to get more people involved. The iso's on the wing and T-mac running off ball are BOTH what Adelman wants from this system. When the ofense stagnates or becomes too T-mac heavy, it is Adelman's job to calls plays for other players and it is the role players' job to get away from T-mac if he is clanking shots and still demanding the ball (you see Derek Fisher do this a lot with Kobe).

    There is no vendetta with T-Mac against the Adelman offense..he LOVES it, and he was flourishing in it early in the season. It wasn't until ADELMAN changed the playcalling to get more guys involved did he start struggling. It wasn't the less amount of shot attempts that got him struggling, it was using him in the pick and roll which dropped his %'s as it gives him less driving lanes and takes him farther away from the basket. Instead, which you have seen the past few games, Adelman should have ran the same plays as he did early in the season (when T-Mac was doing really well), but with less plays ran for T-mac to score the ball.
     
  9. Rhay1

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    You know, I've come to the conclusion that no matter what happens in front of some people's eyes, they're going to believe what they want. It had nothing to do with TMac seeing his role diminished, so he intensionally dominated the ball and refused to play nice with the rest of the guys. It had less to do with TMac losing confidence in his teammates so he started jacking balls up from the parking lot.

    It had more to do with his teammates losing confidence in themselves and they not only stopped shooting, but they stood around! Battier, Head, Francis, James...and to make matters worse, they never broke to the basket to try to get layups. Ooops! A few guys did miss point-blank layups didn't they? Anyway...

    I hope the success the rockets 2nd team has had continues, and they keep playing they way they have the last two games. Brooks, Head, Bonzi, Scola and whomever... The issue I have is with the first team. We need an NBA starting power forward and small forward. Our small forward is supposed to be able to score. I'd like a power forward over 6-10 who can shoot outside of six feet from the basket.

    It was good to hear Head say they were looking for their own shots finally.
    When Yao and Tracy are double teamed someone else has to man-up. And as for Majic Johnson saying one of our big two guys should be traded, remember this. He is probably trying to get Yao to the Lakers. Say what you will about TMac, but he has yet to blame his coach for his problems and tried to get them fired, unlike some past NBA stars have in LA and Chicago......

    :rolleyes: :p
     
  10. blastaway

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    I would like to see what that great offense was also! :confused:
     
  11. MR. MEOWGI

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    Your post gets my official pile of steaming crap on it.

    The Rockets were 28-54 the year before JVG took over. There was some advancement.

    Time might help some things, but it wont turn defensive players into offensive players.
     
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    you act like the season's over already. i guess there's no shot of winning anymore, we should just trade everybody away, that for sure will make this a better team.

    no defensive players?

    Bonzi
    Scola
    James
    Francis
    Brooks
    Head
    Snyder
    Yao
    Tracy

    What i notice that you probably don't however, is that apart from Scola, there's not a single true forward on that list.

    I think we need another power forward so we can have Hayes come off the bench and we can either start scola or another pf. Right now we don't have too much choice. We can start Scola, but who will relieve Yao, Deke? Deke's not even a true player on this team as much as a cheerleader. In case Yao gets hurt, he'll be there, but we keep Scola on the bench, just to keep Deke remained on the bench.

    I think it's funny how everyone thinks our pg position is our weakest. We have Brooks, Alston, James, Francis. We have tons of potential with Brooks, and Alston is definitely a solid pg. Francis will eventually be a big help too. Again, for Brooks being a rookie, the way he was tossed in the lineup, and in this league, the way he's played so far does make a statement. In the limited number of minutes he played, he has been our best pg so far... if he keeps it up, he'll be starting in a matter of weeks.

    Hayes should not be a starter. I love him on the team, but not as a starter. This just shows how much we are need of another power forward. Battier might be great defensive player and hard-nosed player, but we can only have ONE guy like that on our team at a time. He should not be playing with Hayes at any time. I think that's why Gundy never tried Hayes as a starter as much as he loved him.

    Carl Landry needs some freaking minutes already. Especially, in games which are already decided for crying out loud, that's free experience for that man that adelman is wasting.

    We need a Ben Wallace or a Jermaine Oneil. That's one thing this team should try a trade for. battier, novak, james, and snyder should all be used to upgrade our power forward position.
     
  13. blastaway

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    Ive been on the trade machine and gone a little happy on it! :p

    So, before we split up Tracy and Yao, among the other trades that I have shown will work dollar wise and seem to be good trades for both or all teams involved, here is my latest block buster that contains a four team 20 player trade! :eek:

    This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.

    New York Knicks

    Incoming Players
    James Posey
    Salary: $3,206,000 Years Remaining: 1
    PTS: 7.3 REB: 4.1 AST: 1.0 PER: 13.19

    Alexander Johnson
    Salary: $770,610 Years Remaining: 2
    PTS: 2.2 REB: 1.0 AST: 0.2 PER: 11.00

    Jason Williams
    Salary: $8,937,500 Years Remaining: 1
    PTS: 8.7 REB: 2.3 AST: 5.4 PER: 12.00

    Kirk Snyder
    Salary: $2,358,433 Years Remaining: 1
    PTS: 4.0 REB: 1.5 AST: 1.0 PER: 15.18

    Tony Allen
    Salary: $1,868,141 Years Remaining: 1
    PTS: 4.7 REB: 2.2 AST: 1.4 PER: 9.08

    Mike James
    Salary: $5,826,893 Years Remaining: 2
    PTS: 7.6 REB: 1.7 AST: 1.8 PER: 11.21

    Outgoing Players: Mardy Collins, Jared Jeffries, Quentin Richardson, Eddy Curry

    The Knicks do this deal just to free up some money, even though they can afford not to. But they get rid of several multi-year contracts and end up with mostly 1 year contracts and a couple of 2 year contracts. The players they get in return are gonna help them run more to offer a better product to put on the floor. What they have now is not working no matter what, so getting some expiring contracts in along with some players that they can put on the floor to run with the ball also, gives them an opportunity to make some moves in the upcoming years. They are going no where this year no matter what. And long contracts have continued to be their biggest problem, along with coaching and management that are making those decisions.

    Boston Celtics

    Incoming Players
    Rafer Alston
    Salary: $4,550,000 Years Remaining: 3
    PTS: 9.3 REB: 3.2 AST: 5.0 PER: 11.97

    Eddy Curry
    Salary: $8,947,543 Years Remaining: 3
    PTS: 13.7 REB: 5.0 AST: 0.6 PER: 15.29

    Luther Head
    Salary: $1,122,000 Years Remaining: 2
    PTS: 5.9 REB: 1.6 AST: 1.4 PER: 12.52

    Outgoing Players: Kendrick Perkins, James Posey, Brian Scalabrine, Tony Allen, Eddie House

    Boston will do this deal because while they lose some defense in Posey, although they are also losing their starting center, they are gaining Eddie Curry as their new starting center. They get Rafer to run their offense, whether they decide to start him or not over Rondo is anyone's guess. But off the bench to get it up the court and pass to their 3 stars unselfishly, who else would be better. Then they get Luther that will give them even more fire power off the bench at the one or two from 3 pt range.

    They become the favorites to win it all actually with this trade.

    Miami Heat

    Incoming Players

    Chuck Hayes
    Salary: $1,750,000 Years Remaining: 3
    PTS: 3.3 REB: 6.3 AST: 1.0 PER: 12.09

    Shane Battier
    Salary: $5,883,600 Years Remaining: 4
    PTS: 8.3 REB: 4.6 AST: 1.5 PER: 9.99

    Mardy Collins
    Salary: $967,320 Years Remaining: 2
    PTS: 1.5 REB: 1.3 AST: 1.1 PER: -0.16

    Jared Jeffries
    Salary: $5,632,200 Years Remaining: 4
    PTS: 2.7 REB: 3.1 AST: 0.7 PER: 6.72

    Quentin Richardson
    Salary: $8,105,500 Years Remaining: 3
    PTS: 7.3 REB: 5.9 AST: 1.6 PER: 7.25

    Steve Novak
    Salary: $687,456 Years Remaining: 1

    Outgoing Players: Alexander Johnson, Ricky Davis, Jason Williams, Udonis Haslem

    Miami does it because they need to do something. To me, they get the least out the deal, but they get rid of J. Williams' contract; they were gonna lose Ricky D. anyway, so they get something now for him; they were shopping Udonis anyway....and Johnson is no big deal to lose.

    In return, they get some strong defenders in Battier and Hayes. They get some 3 point shooting with Battier, Novak and Q. Richardson, who could return to form working with D. Wade and provide them what Ricky Davis doesn't. Im sure they can find some use for Marty Collins and Jared J. as well.

    Houston Rockets

    Incoming Players

    Kendrick Perkins
    Salary: $4,480,912 Years Remaining: 4
    PTS: 6.9 REB: 5.3 AST: 1.0 PER: 12.20

    Ricky Davis
    Salary: $6,819,000 Years Remaining: 1
    PTS: 14.9 REB: 4.2 AST: 2.5 PER: 12.46

    Brian Scalabrine
    Salary: $3,000,000 Years Remaining: 3
    PTS: 2.1 REB: 1.5 AST: 0.9 PER: 5.07

    Eddie House
    Salary: $1,500,000 Years Remaining: 1
    PTS: 8.0 REB: 2.2 AST: 1.7 PER: 15.17

    Udonis Haslem
    Salary: $6,050,000 Years Remaining: 3
    PTS: 13.1 REB: 9.4 AST: 1.5 PER: 13.58

    Outgoing Players: Chuck Hayes, Shane Battier, Rafer Alston, Steve Novak, Kirk Snyder, Mike James, Luther Head

    The Rockets do it because we get a proven third scorer in Ricky Davis. Him and Tmac will make it more difficult on opposing teams than Tmac and Battier at that position. Also, we upgrade our four position with Udonis/Scola vs Hayes/Scola. Also, we get the higher percentage shooter in the PG position with House coming off the bench as a spark. We also get a legit back up center for Yao with Perkins who was starting for Boston. Scalabrine is a throw in and we use him if we can.

    New starting lineup:

    AB, Tmac, Ricky D, Haslem, Yao

    Bench:

    House, Francis, Bonzi, Scola, Perkins

    A much better team IMHO..and we keep Yao and Tmac together! :D

    Get on the phones Morey! :cool:

    Any comments? ;)
     
  14. v3.0

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    Huh? You lost me here, Hayes was our starter for most of last season.

    Actually alot of your post I was going huh? Ben Wallace, Jermaine Oneal? You must be wanting the Ben and Jermaine of many years ago, when they weren't overrated players with fat contracts.
     
  15. MeatAndPotatoes

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    Last season's starting lineup:

    Yao
    Howard
    Battier
    McGrady
    Alston

    we need big men. Oneil and Wallace are both open for trades, and may be affordable to us without without resulting in losing one of our best players. Either of the players i mentioned would make this a much, much better team.
     
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    Juwon Howard started for 38 and Chuck Hayes started for 43 games last year (asper NBA.com). Only reason Hayes did not start more is because he got injured early in the year from banging knees from Shaq, and when Yao went down with the injury, Mutombo started and JVG did not want 2 offensively limited players at the PF/C spots. So Howard started while Yao was out, but when Yao came back in Hayes started again.

    Jermaine Oneal is making around 19 mill and rises to 22 mill in his last year 2010. He's oft injured and a shell of himself these days.

    Ben Wallace makes around 15 mill until his last year 2010. He's just coasting through ever since he got his fat contract. Nothing like the Detroit Ben who was a 4 time defensive player of the year.

    I want no part of these guys and their contracts.
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I can't tell from looking at the last few games that he has bought in. Dada, do you actually watch the games? Tell me ya do.
     
  18. tmac2darack

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    i think we should all change teams.. the rox are just not fun too watch.. and they are typical every night.. 1st ten plays, its either tmac or yao.. what happened to the "balanced attack" team that ad promised? until there's an improvement in the rox, I'm rooting for the warriors.. they are just so fun too watch.. i think the injury on tmac is the "heartbreaker" injury.. it might be the injury that basically ends your career.. he won't be explosive as before.. he will rarely drive the ball to the hoop.. thats what happened to penny hardaway and grant hill.. but he is slowly getting back into shape.. tmac is just so disappointing... he doesnt have the killer instinct like kobe or garnett.. doesnt it get to his head? he should be dominating this league.. he should be damn pissed coz he hasn't gotten out of the 1st round in his career.. he should have the passion.. he should have the leadership.. but he doesnt have it anymore.. none of them actually.. i even think that durant is way better than tracy... :(
     
  19. Billionzz

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    You suck - what a stupid reply

    Tmac is great what the Rockets need is some coaching,

    It's so obvious, better players and worse results equals worse coaching.
     

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