Hilarious---Grant Hills OWN COACH calls him a wimp

Dude, you are reading between the lines' lines' lines.

Doc is in no way calling him a whimp. The fact of the matter is that Hill is commonly known as a quiet, reserved player. McGrady has a bit of a temper, and obviously will go toe to toe with someone if the temperatures get hot enough. All Doc is saying is that Hill is not that type of person.

Hill quietly goes about his business (at least before he had all these injury issues) and by the end of the night he was flirting with a triple double. If anyone ever went at him, he probably kept his head and played through it.

If I remember the McGrady incident correctly, and I do, Bobby Jackson slapped at the ball as McGrady went up, and he hit arm. I think McGrady grossly overreacted and shoved Jackson. Jackson had a helluva confused look on his face too.

Just my opinion though.....

 

I don't think you ever saw MJ go after a player like that. He had the fire, yes, but McGrady's immaturity showed in that incident. Being as big of a fan of his as I am, that's somewhat hard to admit.

 

remember all those Mr Nice Guy commercials with Hill

 

Hmm... I'm gonna send my 2nd string point guard after your best player. Your best player is going to show that he is an "ornery dog". Both of our players get ejected. So let's see, you lose your best player, I lose a bench player, but somehow, you gloat that your player is standing up by ignoring your coach's instructions to not get involved. Sounds good to me...

 

The coach's instructions to not get involved came during the first round of the playoffs. That was when Rivers told McGrady not to get involved in the trash talking with Glenn Robinson.

 

Why does everything all of a sudden need to come back to Jordan. I'm getting sick of that man.

 

I'm sick of MJ myself - but seeing as how he played for gb's beloved Bulls and is still considered the greatest of this generation, it's a valid comparison.

If you don't want to use that comparison, then refer back to the grant Hill thread from a couple of weeks ago, where I posted articles and quotes from those describing his killer instinct and drive to win.

Heck, why else would he have continued playing on his ankle? A combination of his want to win and the Pistons doctors misdiagnosing the injury.

 

Playing on that ankle during the playoffs was one of 2 brave things Hill ever did. The other was a nasty dunk on Mourning followed by a little taunting. Other than those two things he's been a huge pansy his entire career.

As for the Pistons being to blame for Hill's current predicament, I don't think so. Hill even tried to steal the Piston's trainer (who was more than a little involved in Hill's treatment and diagnosis) on his way out of town, offering to triple (I think) his salary to be his personal trainer because he knew the guy was the only one that could save him.

The Pistons diagnosed the injury as well as could have been done. They took the x-rays, told him all his options (including the fact that he could injure it worse by playing) and did in no way force him into playing. He chose, he chose wrong.

 

I remember a young Jordan having quite a temper. Didn't he knock out Steve Kerr?

 

Jordan actually had a nasty temper in the locker room. He'd get in people's faces for not executing. I think he's even decked people (not sure about that) in the locker room. One thing I've read in different players' biographies is that you didn't want to mess with MJ. What he said goes or you'll hear about it later...

 

I remember in the early 90s during a playoff game Craig Ehlo fouled Jordan hard and Jordan started to take a punch at him and literally someone had to grab his arm and pull his punch. If Jordan had swung, connected, and got ejected and suspended and the Bulls lost that game and series would you have said he had an "edge" and was "ornery" or would you have called him stupid and not a team player? "He who fights and walks away lives to fight another day". I guarantee if Jordan had thrown that punch there wouldn't have been another day.

 

No such word as "unconscience", the word I believe you are looking for is "unconscious".

Bang Bang, You're Dead...

PS - I'm no longer the Bears GM in moe's league, they're free for your taking...

 

They told him wrong, they screwed up his ankle.

Had they diagnosed the injury right in the first place - as both the Magic doctors, independent doctors, and Pistons doctors have admitted in the press - there would have been no problems to this point.

Hill would not have played, the ankle would not be further injured, and Hill would be playing today.

Think it's coincidence that they told him wrong knowing he was going to leave? He never wanted to take the Pistons doctors or trainers with him. His surgeries have all come from independent doctors in no way affiliated with the Pistons or Magic, and all rehabilitiation since he signed with the Magic has come on his own and with the Magic's doctors.

Even if you want to call him a wimp - I will take Grant Hill over 95% of the NBA ANY DAY. GB can have his Chandler and Curry and sit in mediocrity for years if he wouldn't want a 7 time all-star wimp.

 

Uh, they didn't know he was leaving (and everything they did with personnell--for example, drafting a PG (Cleaves) instead of a SF (Peterson) that year- shows that).

I don't know what you've read in which any of the Pistons officials/players/doctors said they were wrong, but I haven't seen it. I've seen Hill say it and I've seen an article with an anonymous former player (and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that player is Don Reid--current Magic towel boy and released in midseason by the Pistons). I have seen an article that details that they told him everything they could have possibly known about it and done everything they could have possibly done (MRI's and the like).

And he most certainly did try and take Arnie Kander (Piston's trainer) with him. There's no way around that one at all. Hill and all player's view him with awe. He's the top in the business and Hill offered him a raise if he'd go with him (fact, not opinion) but Kander was loyal to the team. If Hill had been able to keep Kander, he wouldn't be having the problems he is now (or he'd be having much less of them).